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Save Classics at Michigan State University

Save Classics at Michigan State University

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MSU Administration: Lou Anna K. Simon, President; Kim Wilcox, Provost; Karin A. Wurst, Dean, Arts and Letters

On October 30, Michigan State University Provost Kim Wilcox recommended the elimination of the Classical Studies Major as well as several other programs as part of a budget reduction plan that he presented to the Board of Trustees. Provost Wilcox admitted on October 30 that he did not know what, if anything, would be saved by cutting programs, and Dean Karin Wurst, has only referred vaguely to the "Current economic climate" as justification for eliminating the program.

This is disturbing given the urgency of realizing actual savings in the budget, because nothing is saved by eliminating Classical Studies.   Please sign your name to this petition to save Classical Studies at Michigan because if it can happen at such a great state institution, it can happen anywhere.

On October 30, Michigan State University Provost Kim Wilcox recommended the elimination of the Classical Studies Major as well as several other programs as part of a budget reduction plan that he presented to the Board of Trustees. Provost Wilcox admitted on October 30 that he did not know what, if anything, would be saved by cutting programs, and Dean Karin Wurst, has only referred vaguely to the "Current economic climate" as justification for eliminating the program.

This is disturbing given the urgency of realizing actual savings in the budget, because nothing is saved by eliminating Classical Studies.   Please sign your name to this petition to save Classical Studies at Michigan because if it can happen at such a great state institution, it can happen anywhere.

We, the undersigned, realize that the budget challenges facing the University are indeed severe, but cutting Classics will not result in any budget savings, and it is detrimental to students, to faculty and to the reputation of the University itself.

As regards funding, there are no administrative costs for Classical Studies, no dedicated support staff, no graduate students, no temporary instructors, no lab or material costs, and the current faculty will remain on staff.  In essence you are advocating a faculty shuffle that will only result in disenfranchised faculty members and disgruntled students who no longer have credits in an acceptable major.

With respect to the student body, in a recent e-mail to MSU's current majors, Dean Wurst claims that in the last five years MSU has had only a total of 11 majors.  The current Classical Studies major did not exist five years ago.  It was first offered in January of 2006 and students did not begin enrolling in significant numbers until fall of that year.  In fact, there is an average of 24 majors enrolled each of the past three years, and the department has graduated six majors in each of the past two years.  These numbers are above average for other programs of comparable size in our College.

Dean Wurst has also claimed that the courses are too specialized and that they do not reach a broad student audience.  This reflects a profound misunderstanding of the nature of Classical Studies and the typical enrollments in these courses.  For example, CLA 160, which is offered this semester, has 160 students with 47 different majors represented from across the University. This would seem, by any definition, to be a "broad" audience.  They offer three or more civilization courses each semester and enrollments typically range from 30 to 200, with only a small minority in Classical Studies.  All of the courses that support the major attract a diverse student audience and have strong enrollments, as shown by the fact that we have an average of 34 students per class (including the upper-level language) in the current academic year.

Dean Wurst has told the faculty that after the elimination of the program they will all be assigned full-time to general education. This means that of the entire faculty in programs that may be affected by proposed cuts the Classics professors will be the only ones not allowed to teach in their discipline.  To deny a person from completing the job that he or she was hired to do, especially in academia, especially when hired to work with undergraduates in that field, effectively neuters that professional's career and makes faculty in every other department wary of their position.  This will create tensions among the faculty and will result in a much less friendlier community on MSU's campus when faculty members must battle each other to keep what job they have.

The elimination of the Classics program along with all Greek, Latin and Classical Civilization courses not only makes no sense in budgetary terms, not only harms a student's ability to study what he or she wants, and not only devastates faculty, it also strikes at the heart of the mission of MSU as a land grant institution and nullifies MSU's own mission statement.

In 1855, the Michigan legislature passed Article 13, Section 11, which founded the Agricultural College of the State of Michigan.  Article 13 became the model for the Morrill Act, signed by President Lincoln in 1862, which established MSU and other Land Grant institutions.  Section 4 of the Morrill Act authorized the sale of public land to create endowments for states to establish colleges of agriculture and the mechanic arts "without excluding other scientific and classical studies and including military tactics."

"Classical studies" in this context can only refer to Latin and Greek and related fields, and it is the only discipline in the humanities named in the act. This wording was part of an addition to original version of the Morrill Act that had been vetoed by President Buchanan in 1859, and it shows that Lincoln and other supporters of the Act recognized that the discipline of Classical Studies is essential part of the educational goals the public land grant schools, and this continues to be recognized by land grant universities across the country.  Cutting Classics clearly contradicts the Morrill Act, and it would give MSU, "The Pioneer Land Grant University," the embarrassing distinction of being the only Land Grant University in the Big Ten and in the CIC that does not offer Classics.

Eliminating Classical Studies (among other programs) goes directly against the Mission Statement, renders MSU effectively non-inclusive, and threatens whatever "Ctraditionally strong academic disciplines" related to the liberal arts.  Classical Studies is at the heart of any liberal arts education (as it was Classics that began the liberal arts). 

No more will MSU be able to remain at the forefront of interdisciplinary studies "to address society's rapidly changing needs" because MSU is cutting out all other disciplines. 

No more will MSU advance knowledge and transform lives because you are depriving outstanding training to promising and qualified students to prepare them to contribute to our society as educated citizen leaders, because you are disallowing the research of your professors to reach the highest possible caliber and therefore will not reach solutions to expand human understanding and make positive differences in the world, and because you are cutting off any outreach, engagement, and economic development activities, all innovative, all research-driven, associated with these disciplines which would lead to a better quality of life around the world.

You are doing this. But you can also prevent this.

The economy poses serious challenges to universities across the country, especially so in Michigan.  In the case of Classical Studies, however, MSU seems to have lost sight of budgetary goals as well as educational values. The hasty and unnecessary elimination of Classical Studies undermines the University's claim to be a center of learning and a leader in global education. There is nothing to be saved by cutting Classical Studies, but much to be lost by our students, by our faculty, by the University itself, and by countless generations hereafter all for no reason.

Respectfully we ask that you strongly reconsider your decision and rescind it.
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Dear Friends,

Thank you all for giving your support. Together we have collected nearly 1650 signatures, well over the initial mark of 1000. Deo volente, our voices will be heard by receptive ears and justice will rule the day.

Very truly yours,

Christopher Geggie

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3:21 am PST, Nov 19, Name not displayed, Australia
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2:47 am PST, Nov 19, Rebecca Hasking, Australia
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2:42 am PST, Nov 19, Libby Alvey, Australia
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2:15 am PST, Nov 19, Name not displayed, Australia
Firstly, the Classics have been the cornerstone of a complete education for a very long time, and a good knowledge of them is vital in understanding many other disciplines and accessing many important works. Secondly, there are few schools which still provide classes in classics, and it is the responsibility of those institutions which still can to provide this knowledge to the next generation. As has already been mentioned, there is nothing to be gained, and much to loose from this move. The excuse that Classics needs to be made available to a wider range of students is either misleading or misinformed - it is not practical to introduce elements of Classics into other disciplines in such a way that the full value of either topic can be made available. To start teaching the Latin language, for example, as part of a Philosophy course will result in a degree twice as long as usual, or (more likely), a course which fails utterly to satisfactorally educate the students in either discipline. Finally, it must be remembered that students vote with their money. If students wish to take Classics, THEY PAY FOR IT. Those students who have begun their Classics education at MSU may relocate to another university (taking their fees with them), or if that option is not open to them, demand the return of their money as the university has failed in its promise of providing them with the full course in Classics which was available when they enrolled.
# 1,643:
1:47 am PST, Nov 19, Tom Stevenson, Australia
The presence of Classics in the curriculum of a western university says two things: i) the university values its intellectual and cultural inheritance for assessing its present and deciding its future; and ii) the university understands that the real power of western society is based on cherished ideas about individual and state power which derive from texts that are for the most part not written in English - they are written in Greek and Latin. Other disciplines are children by comparison.
# 1,642:
1:28 am PST, Nov 19, Morgan King, Minnesota
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12:59 am PST, Nov 19, Megan Beasley, Australia
Universities have a responsibility to maintain standards. This cannot be done by eradicating difficult subjects which attract intelligent, dedicated and hard-working students. Classics is one of the most difficult and therefore most rewarding disciplines available, and no university has the right to deny students the opportunity to understand the foundations of their own culture.
# 1,640:
11:57 pm PST, Nov 18, Jess Gick, Virginia
# 1,639:
10:38 pm PST, Nov 18, Susan Ford, Australia
I am sitting here (in a moderately cool room) on a very hot Canberra day reading and writing about Homer as a PhD candidate. I am only enabled to do this because I learned Greek as an undergraduate. And because I am learning Greek I can enquire about language itself, and what that blind bard on a Chian shore saw or heard in his mind to make him know, and to make us know ourselves.
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10:35 pm PST, Nov 18, Judy Goodsell, Australia
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10:14 pm PST, Nov 18, Robert Littman, Hawaii
Classics is the DNA of western and world culture. Our modern society are heirs of the Greeks in medicine, philosophy, science, literature. To terminate classics programs at an American university is to turn one's back on our history and civilization. Robert Littman President Archaeological Institute of America Hawaii Society
# 1,636:
9:56 pm PST, Nov 18, Robert Ball, Hawaii
The Classics program, the basis of Western university instruction, is essential to the formation of a multicultural curriculum at any university, since one cannot really have such a curriculum by leaving out the greatest influence on Western culture, hence world culture.
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9:39 pm PST, Nov 18, Name not displayed, Australia
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9:28 pm PST, Nov 18, Stephen Harris, Texas
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9:23 pm PST, Nov 18, Helen Tanner, Australia
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9:17 pm PST, Nov 18, Frederik VERVAET, Australia
No institution of higher education is worthy of the title of University without a decent Classics Department. All the foundations of Western scientific, political, philosophical and religious thought were built during the Classical Period. It would be simply outrageous to sacrifice the Classics on the altar of a misguided and short-sighted budgetary exercise or economic utilitarianism.
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9:14 pm PST, Nov 18, Name not displayed, Australia
Classics is fundamental to any Humanities programme. The loss of these subjects would be a serious blow to MSU's international reputation and status.
# 1,630:
9:06 pm PST, Nov 18, Dexter Hoyos, Australia
Classical Greek and Latin are fundamental building blocks of modern western culture, imbuing every facet from our grasp of language to our beliefs in politics, philosophy and indeed religion. To save money by removing these subjects from the curriculum is a tragic policy. I understand, also, that Classics are enshrined requirements in the act of Congress that established MSU and under which MSU continues to exist. Greek and Latin, for more than just legal reasons, should remain part of MSU's curriculum.
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9:02 pm PST, Nov 18, Peter Toohey, Canada
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9:01 pm PST, Nov 18, Cristina Bacchilega, Hawaii
I assume there are students majoring in Classic Studies and that to them there is nothing vague about how important it is to keep the program going.
# 1,627:
8:59 pm PST, Nov 18, Ryan Ike, California
The study of classics is immensely important. My wife is a classicist, and the amount of information she's unearthing about past civilizations in her graduate thesis now is staggering. Please do what you can to keep this field alive at Michigan State.
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8:58 pm PST, Nov 18, Kathryn Welch, Australia
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8:50 pm PST, Nov 18, Shavera Seneviratne, Minnesota
We have so many parallels that can be drawn from the Classical Period. Even if you don't believe that 'civilization' had its roots in the Classical Period to dispute it the knowledge why it's considered such is vital. In many ways it shows how many of our modern political concepts and traditions came to be. Besides it's just fascinating period. History always serves to teach us something!
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8:32 pm PST, Nov 18, Paul Lotz, Arizona
Education in classical languages and cultures is vital for any university worthy of the name, I think. It is crucial for us today to understand those cultures that, while so different in many ways from our own, have a tremendous impact on us in many respects (history, philosophy, art, theology, literature, to name a few). Indeed, we cannot understand our world without them. Michigan State University, as a land grant institution, has an even greater obligation and mission to promote classical studies. Moreover, cutting the program does not benefit the university financially or in any other respect; it only harms the many students and faculty who would otherwise benefit from studies in the department. Accordingly, I urge Michigan State University to retain its Classical Studies department, including its faculty, staff, and curriculum. Paul J. Lotz B.A., Greek and Latin and Physics, The Catholic University of America M.S. in E.E., University of Michigan Currently the software lead for the Discovery Channel Telescope project at Lowell Observatory
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8:14 pm PST, Nov 18, Christopher Brunelle, Minnesota
Whether you think of the ancient world as a model of civic and intellectual values or as the wellspring of our Western ways, you cannot run an honest academic program without a thriving classics department.
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8:09 pm PST, Nov 18, Alexis Smith, Minnesota
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8:00 pm PST, Nov 18, Maryline Parca, Illinois
Eliminating the Classical Studies major at MSU would impoverish the institution and rob many of its students of a rich and stimulating intellectual tradition.
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7:58 pm PST, Nov 18, Clara Hardy, Minnesota
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7:41 pm PST, Nov 18, Alicia Deadrick, California
The study of Classics is one of the most interdisciplinary fields available to youth today. It is only here that one is able to study languages (Greek and Latin primarily), art, art history, architecture, ancient history, archeology, literature, cultural studies/anthropology, and religion. Can you name one other department that can teach one individual nearly as much? Nor is the study of Classics antiquated, just our subject material. But it is only by understanding the past that we can see the future. I have spent the last several years studying ancient history/classics, first for a BA, now for an MA, and I cannot think of another division that has taught me so much, from the analytical skills and care for detail, to the appreciation of such things as Virgil in his original language. There is no other major that creates as well rounded of an individual, not to mention that most of my fellow undergrads were applying, and getting accepted to, med and law schools. Do not deny your student population this amazing opportunity.
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7:38 pm PST, Nov 18, Annie Higgins, Michigan
Classics is a basic belwether of intelligence and culture. These are worth protecting.
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7:12 pm PST, Nov 18, Name not displayed, Minnesota
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6:47 pm PST, Nov 18, Jean Rishel, Michigan
Classical studies is important for the general education. Lessons learned there impact a student's life forever with a much broader outlook on life. To remove this from your currilum would be a great loss and travesty from one of the most important educational institutions in the state of Michigan. Please don't do this!
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5:52 pm PST, Nov 18, Joanie Rosen, Illinois
Offering Classics gives students a chance to connect back to early learning of language and the human race itself! It is wonderful undergrad learning for students looking to study medicine and law. Why would we limit MSU's offerings to prepare for such strong careers? Please don't limit MSU this way!
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5:39 pm PST, Nov 18, David Christy, Michigan
It is important to know the roots of not only our languages, but our literature, our histories, our cultures and our civilizations because it is how we come to know ourselves. Doing this through a single language limits our access to these resources, and subsequently limits our potential knowledge of foreign and domestic selves, policymakers not excluded. Policy speaks, as does literature, and it is understood beyond language.
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5:38 pm PST, Nov 18, Name not displayed, Michigan
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5:33 pm PST, Nov 18, Frances Gingras, Minnesota
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5:10 pm PST, Nov 18, Nanette Goldman, Minnesota
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5:05 pm PST, Nov 18, Jayne Gardner, Florida
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4:55 pm PST, Nov 18, Colin McClelland, Indiana
Being an excellent major for someone to go on to law school, teaching, and business, I can't imagine cutting the one program where the only infrastructure necessary is chalk and a blackboard.
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3:46 pm PST, Nov 18, Name not displayed, Kentucky
I took Latin for 8 years, and it was the best decision of my life. Do not rob others of such a rich opportunity!
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3:43 pm PST, Nov 18, Katherine Lohmeyer, Michigan
The Classics courses I have taken are among the most engaging and challenging that I have experienced at this university. The department had a large impact on my education as a History major, and I greatly enjoyed the opportunity to study both Latin and Greek as an undergraduate. The professors care, the students are more engaged, and the classes are more personal and therefore highly successful. I planned to transfer away from MSU until Dr. Rauk convinced me to add the major, because there were classes there that could challenge me. Without the draw of a more intimate department, I would have transfered to another school during my freshman year. It would be fair to say, therefore, that the Classics department greatly enhanced my experience at MSU.
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3:32 pm PST, Nov 18, Anna Beek, Minnesota
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3:26 pm PST, Nov 18, Geoff Bakewell, Nebraska
MSU is home to several extremely fine classicists, including Carl Anderson and William Blake Tyrell. (To say nothing of Debra Nails in Philosophy!) To put them to work teaching exclusively gen ed courses is very ill-advised.
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3:10 pm PST, Nov 18, Luke Sineath, North Carolina
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2:58 pm PST, Nov 18, Thomas Worthen, Arizona
Often during budget crises administrators make cuts just so that state legislators and regents' boards see that SOMETHING is being cut. Notice that at MSU classics and other languages have already been cut to the bone by the creation of a monstrous super-department comprising a half dozen or more languages. Such cuts could actually save money in the short run but they erode the personality of a great liberal arts institution making it seem like an academy for the sciences, business studies, engineering and some other technical areas with a large service department designed to ensure that engineers can spell the name of their own specialty. Now the mockery continues by cutting out Greek and Latin from the curriculum--of course two years of Latin must be offered if MSU is to keep its affiliation with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter. That requirement was instituted as a bare minimum. Now it becomes a stop gap, probably temporary, in the demise of a great University.
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2:26 pm PST, Nov 18, Julia Troche, Rhode Island
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2:13 pm PST, Nov 18, Elle Getschman, Michigan
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