Do you believe this dog could feel the pain when he broke his leg? Obviously Carruthers does not. Do not support his writing being read in the classroom.

Ban Peter Carruthers' work from the classroom!!!

Target:
Philosophy Dept.; Thomson Wadsworth (Reason and Responsibility)
Do you really question whether or not animals can feel? Do you think that it is moral to care about them? Peter Carruthers does not.

    My name is Melissa Lalonde and I am registered in a first year Philosophy course at University. In our text there is an article that is against animal rights that I believe should be removed from the text for following years. The article Brute Experience written by Peter Carruthers is morally objectionable and extremely bothersome to me. When we recently learned about this piece I was extremely shocked and distraught. My professor was very professional in the way that he taught the views in this piece, however when I read it myself I was extremely disturbed and hurt by it. I am concerned that people will act on views that are printed in this text. It is people who act on this that are disturbing, however even allowing something like this to be published is wrong.
    People like me spend our time and energy fighting against people like him, and allowing his work to be read in an upstanding University like the University of Toronto is wrong. It is as if the University is advocating these views (even though they obviously would not). There is no reason why anyone should have to even consider that the pains of animals do not exist, when it is obvious that they do. Teaching young minds that it is appropriate to not be bothered by animals in pain is wrong. When we read a piece like this one that explicitly states that animals do not deserve our sympathy and that even if they break their legs and are in pain, their lives should have no rational claims on us people start to change their views. This is extremely painful for those of us who are working to make people realize that animals are deserving of much more than our sympathy.
    Carruthers even goes so far as to say that we are wasting our time and money on issues like this because, and I quote, "...such activities are not only morally unsupportable but morally objectionable." (Carruthers 354) Apparently us caring for animals is getting in the way of our serious moral objectives and that we should not concern ourselves with their injuries. This is disgusting to me. I was literally brought to tears when I read this piece because it is so hard for me to imagine that people like him exist, let alone that they are published.
    I believe that if people are told that animals cannot feel and that they are not worth our time and energy to help that people will start to be even more trouble for them. If young minds are taught that animals cannot feel a broken leg than they might think it is acceptable to hit and kick them.
    I would really appreciate getting this piece removed from the curriculum for next years class. It is not necessary to expose people to information like this because in itself what he has written is morally wrong. These are simply his views, however it is wrong to advocate them because they are so disheartening. I do not agree with allowing students to read this piece because there is no telling what people will do when they start to believe that animals feel no pain and that its perfectly fine to not care about their pain. I am strongly opposed to this piece of "work", and I am certain that I am not alone in this.
    I wish to have a stronger case against publishing this piece in further texts of Reason and Responsibility. I do not want to cause any trouble, I am just so dead set against this piece being read. I have researched Peter Carruthers since I read this article and this piece is not the only one that is against animal rights. I obviously cannot stop him from having his views (despite how much I wish I could), however I can try to stop this piece from being read by students as part of their Philosophy course. I did not register in this course to be hurt by a piece like this. Even his calling animals brutes is terrible on its own. If you agree with my stance on this issue please do what you can to help me.
    I have enclosed a link to Brute Experience that I found on the internet so that you can read the article if you have not already done so. Below are the exact points in the piece that bothered me the most so that you can focus your attention on them.


Brute Experience: http://www.philosophy.umd.edu/Faculty/pcarruthers/

  • The question whether brutes have experiences has been granted as obvious
    in recent times, and in one sense of the term "experience" no doubt it is
    so. But not, I shall argue, in the sense that makes their experiences an
    appropriate object of moral concern.
  • I shall assume that no one would seriously maintain
    that dogs, cats, sheep, cattle, pigs, or chickens consciously think things
    to themselves (let alone that fish or reptiles do).
  • Second,
    are nonconscious pains an appropriate object of sympathy and moral
    concern? If not, then the sufferings of brutes will make no moral claims
    upon us.
  • Similarly then in the case of brutes: since their experiences, including their
    pains, are nonconscious ones, their pains are of no immediate moral
    concern. Indeed, since all the mental states of brutes are nonconscious, their
    injuries are lacking even in indirect moral concern. Since the disappointments
    caused to a dog through possession of a broken leg are themselves nonconscious in their turn, they, too, are not appropriate objects of our
    sympathy. Hence, neither the pain of the broken leg itself, nor its further
    effects upon the life of the dog, have any rational claim upon our sympathy.
  • Much time and money is presently spent on alleviating the pains
    of brutes which ought properly to be directed toward human beings, and
    many are now campaigning to reduce the efficiency of modern farming
    methods because of the pain caused to the animals involved. If the arguments
    presented here have been sound, such activities are not only morally
    unsupportable but morally objectionable.
  • Similarly then in the case of brutes: since their pains are
    nonconscious (as are all their mental states), they ought not to be allowed
    to get in the way of any morally-serious objective.
  • There is no such rationale in the case of brutes. For our sympathy and
    concern for their pains and injuries cannot be said to have an effect on the
    persons they will one day become.
Do you really question whether or not animals can feel? Do you think that it is moral to care about them? Peter Carruthers does not.

    My name is Melissa Lalonde and I am registered in a first year Philosophy course at University. In our text there is an article that is against animal rights that I believe should be removed from the text for following years. The article Brute Experience written by Peter Carruthers is morally objectionable and extremely bothersome to me. When we recently learned about this piece I was extremely shocked and distraught. My professor was very professional in the way that he taught the views in this piece, however when I read it myself I was extremely disturbed and hurt by it. I am concerned that people will act on views that are printed in this text. It is people who act on this that are disturbing, however even allowing something like this to be published is wrong.
    People like me spend our time and energy fighting against people like him, and allowing his work to be read in an upstanding University like the University of Toronto is wrong. It is as if the University is advocating these views (even though they obviously would not). There is no reason why anyone should have to even consider that the pains of animals do not exist, when it is obvious that they do. Teaching young minds that it is appropriate to not be bothered by animals in pain is wrong. When we read a piece like this one that explicitly states that animals do not deserve our sympathy and that even if they break their legs and are in pain, their lives should have no rational claims on us people start to change their views. This is extremely painful for those of us who are working to make people realize that animals are deserving of much more than our sympathy.
    Carruthers even goes so far as to say that we are wasting our time and money on issues like this because, and I quote, "...such activities are not only morally unsupportable but morally objectionable." (Carruthers 354) Apparently us caring for animals is getting in the way of our serious moral objectives and that we should not concern ourselves with their injuries. This is disgusting to me. I was literally brought to tears when I read this piece because it is so hard for me to imagine that people like him exist, let alone that they are published.
    I believe that if people are told that animals cannot feel and that they are not worth our time and energy to help that people will start to be even more trouble for them. If young minds are taught that animals cannot feel a broken leg than they might think it is acceptable to hit and kick them.
    I would really appreciate getting this piece removed from the curriculum for next years class. It is not necessary to expose people to information like this because in itself what he has written is morally wrong. These are simply his views, however it is wrong to advocate them because they are so disheartening. I do not agree with allowing students to read this piece because there is no telling what people will do when they start to believe that animals feel no pain and that its perfectly fine to not care about their pain. I am strongly opposed to this piece of "work", and I am certain that I am not alone in this.
    I wish to have a stronger case against publishing this piece in further texts of Reason and Responsibility. I do not want to cause any trouble, I am just so dead set against this piece being read. I have researched Peter Carruthers since I read this article and this piece is not the only one that is against animal rights. I obviously cannot stop him from having his views (despite how much I wish I could), however I can try to stop this piece from being read by students as part of their Philosophy course. I did not register in this course to be hurt by a piece like this. Even his calling animals brutes is terrible on its own. If you agree with my stance on this issue please do what you can to help me.
    I have enclosed a link to Brute Experience that I found on the internet so that you can read the article if you have not already done so. Below are the exact points in the piece that bothered me the most so that you can focus your attention on them.


Brute Experience: http://www.philosophy.umd.edu/Faculty/pcarruthers/

  • The question whether brutes have experiences has been granted as obvious
    in recent times, and in one sense of the term "experience" no doubt it is
    so. But not, I shall argue, in the sense that makes their experiences an
    appropriate object of moral concern.
  • I shall assume that no one would seriously maintain
    that dogs, cats, sheep, cattle, pigs, or chickens consciously think things
    to themselves (let alone that fish or reptiles do).
  • Second,
    are nonconscious pains an appropriate object of sympathy and moral
    concern? If not, then the sufferings of brutes will make no moral claims
    upon us.
  • Similarly then in the case of brutes: since their experiences, including their
    pains, are nonconscious ones, their pains are of no immediate moral
    concern. Indeed, since all the mental states of brutes are nonconscious, their
    injuries are lacking even in indirect moral concern. Since the disappointments
    caused to a dog through possession of a broken leg are themselves nonconscious in their turn, they, too, are not appropriate objects of our
    sympathy. Hence, neither the pain of the broken leg itself, nor its further
    effects upon the life of the dog, have any rational claim upon our sympathy.
  • Much time and money is presently spent on alleviating the pains
    of brutes which ought properly to be directed toward human beings, and
    many are now campaigning to reduce the efficiency of modern farming
    methods because of the pain caused to the animals involved. If the arguments
    presented here have been sound, such activities are not only morally
    unsupportable but morally objectionable.
  • Similarly then in the case of brutes: since their pains are
    nonconscious (as are all their mental states), they ought not to be allowed
    to get in the way of any morally-serious objective.
  • There is no such rationale in the case of brutes. For our sympathy and
    concern for their pains and injuries cannot be said to have an effect on the
    persons they will one day become.
We the undersigned need to work towards teaching students information that is positive. Telling young minds that animals are incapable of feeling or thinking just allows them to think that they do not need to care about them at all. When Peter Carruthers states that we are morally wrong to care about animals with broken legs, he inspires cruelty towards animals. People will think that if a broken leg is meaningless, than it is ok to abuse animals in other ways as well. If you disagree that it is morally acceptable to not care about animals and that we are not wasting our time and efforts trying to help them than please help me remove this painful piece of work from the Philosophy curriculum. Thank you for taking the time to show your support for animals.
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We signed the "Ban Peter Carruthers' work from the classroom!!!" petition!
# 600:
7:17 pm PDT, May 23, Gina Chiappazzi, Indiana
# 599:
11:04 pm PDT, Apr 26, Ardelle Carrruthers, Canada
# 598:
1:13 am PDT, Mar 17, Name not displayed, Colorado
Peter Carruthers' is an idiot who's "non-conscious pain" fantasy is a resemblance of his sick and disturbed psyche.
# 597:
4:32 pm PST, Nov 3, Name not displayed, Tennessee
Clearly, you have no understanding of philosophy. In order to have a well-rounded view point to consider any subject, you need views that are both pro and con of the subject, otherwise you have no sense of the subjects frame work. Hence, this is a vital essay to understanding, completely, the scope of animal ethics.

Yes, the article should be studied, and people like the person posting this petition ought reconsider their knee-jerk intellectual spasms to views that do not coincide or agree with their own.

# 596:
6:04 am PDT, Sep 19, Chris Beal, United Kingdom
# 595:
2:16 pm PDT, Aug 11, Danielle Mulvihill, Iowa
# 594:
1:22 pm PDT, Jul 20, Greta Malkotzoglou, Greece
# 593:
9:11 pm PDT, May 30, Diana Ely, Ohio
# 592:
12:19 pm PDT, Apr 30, Angie Waterfield, Canada
We all need to stop cruelty to animals!! They have a right just as much as we do!
# 591:
12:15 pm PDT, Apr 15, Lisa G, Canada
# 590:
10:48 am PDT, Apr 6, Laurel Watson, Arizona
Well, we now have proof that at least 1 animal is not sentient. His name is Ban Peter Carruthers.

Fire him for stupidity and arrogance.

# 589:
5:56 pm PDT, Mar 28, Cheryl Silkett, Missouri
# 588:
2:38 am PDT, Mar 27, Barbara Tatti, Italy
# 587:
2:37 am PDT, Mar 27, Fabio Savio, Italy
# 586:
5:46 pm PDT, Mar 26, Lisa Mears, Oregon
I do not think its fair to ban any breed dogs are how you raise them.if you mistreat any animal it will be mean,i myself love pit bulls as many other,its our right to own any breed we wish.stop the bans they are unfair..
# 585:
8:31 pm PDT, Mar 21, Jessica Freake, Canada
# 584:
3:24 pm PDT, Mar 21, Cindy Wilson, Kansas
It is absurd that a false opinion such as this would be allowed to be published, and worse, taught to a class. It is my opinion that false teachings such as this need to be completely "removed" from the text permanently. Animals do not feel pain? "REALLY!" This individual has a warped mind and has NO PLACE teaching a class. That we shouldn't be concerned if they do, is even worse.

I completely disagree with the views of the professor and think it needs no study at all to know that his views are, not only a false pretense, but completely untrue. I think he should be replaced in his position by a more intelligent individual, and that is an UNDERSTATEMENT.

# 583:
7:24 pm PDT, Mar 20, Keri Isenberg, Pennsylvania
# 582:
5:27 pm PDT, Mar 18, Valeriya Sholokhova, New York
# 581:
1:21 am PDT, Mar 18, Nicolas BELLEUDY, France
# 580:
3:49 pm PDT, Mar 17, Marie-Rose HECKMANN, France
# 579:
9:13 am PDT, Mar 17, Vivien De Boer-Harm, Belgium
# 578:
3:41 am PDT, Mar 15, Sharon Collette, South Carolina
People like this have no hearts or souls , maybe we should consider if MR Carruthers feels pain!

Yes i agree with the students this should not be taught in schools.

# 577:
8:31 pm PDT, Mar 14, Lily Gruber, Kansas
# 576:
10:44 am PDT, Mar 14, Ginger Geronimo, Alabama
# 575:
9:38 pm PDT, Mar 13, Ashley Woehlke, Nevada
# 574:
6:06 am PDT, Mar 13, Sile Martin, United Kingdom
Peter Carruthers has no feelings. he trades on his intellect. Shame on him

Counter-argue against him and spread the word!

# 573:
5:28 pm PDT, Mar 10, Janet Davis, Virginia
# 572:
4:02 pm PDT, Mar 10, Anne Romanow, Illinois
# 571:
3:55 pm PDT, Mar 10, Brenda Pelletier, New Hampshire
I'M WITH THIS GIRL.THIS IS NOT RIGHT,HOW DARE THEY TEACH LIKE THAT.THAT IS ANIMAL CRUELTY PERIOD.THIS IS INSANE AND HAS TO BE STOPPED. WHAT THOSE POOR ANIMALS MUST FEEL.SO SO SAD.

I AGREE WITH THESE STUDENTS.THIS IS PURELY INHUMANE AND IS CRUELTY TO A ANIMAL.THIS IS NOT GOOD TEACHING AT ALL.HAS TO BE CHANGES HAVE TO SET LAWS.

# 569:
2:01 pm PDT, Mar 10, Angela Duquette, New Hampshire
# 568:
11:16 am PDT, Mar 10, Rosaria Menzą, Italy
# 567:
3:05 pm PDT, Mar 9, Maria Dixon, Spain
# 566:
1:01 pm PDT, Mar 9, Becky Visco, Texas
# 565:
4:11 am PDT, Mar 9, Jean Marie Trincali, France
# 564:
12:16 am PST, Mar 9, Josette Roux, France
# 563:
12:14 am PST, Mar 9, Riana Hansen, South Africa
# 562:
4:30 pm PST, Mar 7, Erin Wood, New Mexico
How can we advance when we continue this kind of behavior!
# 561:
4:09 pm PST, Mar 6, Sandra Clarke, Canada
# 560:
10:37 am PST, Mar 4, Nicky Elizabeth, Maine
# 559:
9:45 am PST, Mar 4, Andy Falconer, United Kingdom
# 558:
5:43 am PST, Mar 4, SANDRA ROCHA, Portugal
This man deserves death-warrant!
# 557:
6:51 pm PST, Mar 3, Chris Weller, United Kingdom
Peter Carruthers has a narrow minded view, specist and immoral and obviously has not read any literature to back up his case. Human and animals were to be one in harmony to create a balance in nature. Who came first: Human or Animal? Animal. So why should we be a specist race? Racism and sexism is unacceptable so why should specism be otherwise?

This view should be kept within the text being taught to students although it should be re-published with an opposing argument from another author/critic to show both sides of the argument. Or a case exercise may be benificial, where students can write an essay on their views to this text.

# 556:
9:53 am PST, Mar 3, Staci-lee Sherwood, Florida
PEOPLE LIKE PETER CARRUTHERS ARE CLEARLY MENTALLY ILL AND SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN ANY TIME OR CREDIBILTY. NOT ONLY IS ANIMAL WELFARE JUST AND MORAL IT IS SUPPORTED IN THE BIBLE AS BEING SOMETHING HUMANS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

STUDENTS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LISTEN TO SELFSERVING TRAILER TRASH CRAP LIKE PETER CARRUTHERS DISHED OUT AND SERVED AS EDUCATION. IT'S NOT. IT'S BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE CARRUTHERS THAT WE ALL LIVE IN A VIOLENT AND DISGUSTING WORLD

# 555:
8:43 pm PST, Mar 2, Name not displayed, Canada
Foolishness is foolishness. If something is not true, it should not be published. The teacher needs to be reprimanded, and the Education board needs some backbone.
# 554:
7:00 pm PST, Mar 2, Romona Hanes-Troxell, Pennsylvania
# 553:
3:21 pm PST, Mar 1, Mary Barnes, Tennessee
# 552:
11:10 am PST, Mar 1, Rina Deych RN, New York
I don't care how many degrees he might have. This person is an imbecile. He is obviously unevolved, cruel, and unplugged. If I believed in reincarnation, I'd wish that he come back as an animal stuck in the factory farming horror machine...........Rina Deych, RN and Wildlife Rehabilitator...............

http://www.myspace.com/rinadeych

# 551:
8:21 pm PST, Feb 29, Nancy Ruble, Ohio
This professer is an idiot. How can thoase in charge allow this crap to be spread in the classroom.

No one should have to listen to these untruths

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