No to Hillary for VP
After reading one blogger sentiment (thank you blogger kopanko) regarding Why we should say NO to HILLARY for the VP Selection, who by the way summarized and truly reflected my view, I thought it is important for all of us to voice why it is a bad idea for the Obama camp to select Hillary for VP:
I encourage you to sign this petition saying NO to the recently increasing Hillary for VP push because of the following reasons:
1) Turning back to the Clintons at this point undermines the "CHANGE" theme of Obama's campaign, and WOULD ALIENATE Obama's supporters for whom this was a critically important and worthy principle: Bringing Clinton into the campaign brings all the Clinton players and insiders back into power at the same time, throwing out the fundamental principle of Obama's campaign. We've worked hard to TURN THE PAGE on all of this.
2) The ugliness and hostility inflicted by Hillary's campaign, without warrant or reciprocation, upon Obama and his supporters, should not be rewarded. Why should the Clintons be allowed to bully their way back into the Whitehouse this way? It should not need to even be spelled out that this has been frankly shocking and horrifying to most of us.
3) Obama should have THE RIGHT to select HIS OWN RUNNING MATE, according to his OWN criteria. The value of trust, compatibility, working toward the same goals, and a comfortable working relationship should not be disregarded. A team that has personal chemistry and who will energize and reinforce one another is of SIGNIFICANT VALUE.
4) Having both Clintons there upstaging Obama's presidency would NOT BE FAIR, and could be a constant burden and distraction to a new administration. Look at Bill Clinton's behavior during this campaign: It simply is not credible to imagine that he would retreat quietly to a position of "supporting spouse", avoiding embarrassing business and political dealings, avoiding awkward and embarrassing statements in the press and to audiences at speaking engagements, and avoiding scandal not to discount his other humanitarian accomplishment. It's frankly arrogant and bordering on racist to try to force Obama to accept this kind of chaperoning of his administration by the "wise, been-there-already" Bill and Hillary team who have spent the campaign slinging mud, braking rules, making ridiculous and insulting play after ridiculous and insulting play against the nominee, and repaying their once-loyal black supporters by playing the race card incessantly.
The question is not "Why not bring Hillary on". The question rather is "WHY bring her on?" This is clearly the WRONG person to put on the ticket alongside Obama as it will be like adding gasoline on fire for the republicans to hound Obama%u2019s Message%u2026Not because of misogyny%u2026 Not because of "Clinton hate"%u2026 Because of the reality of the situation. Barack Obama did not put the Clintons into this position: THEY PUT THEMSELVES THERE.
Because of these and many legitimate reasons others can add to the list, I strongly believe she would not serve Senator Obama to his greatest potential and as such I say NO to Hillary for VP!
After reading one blogger sentiment (thank you blogger kopanko) regarding Why we should say NO to HILLARY for the VP Selection, who by the way summarized and truly reflected my view, I thought it is important for all of us to voice why it is a bad idea for the Obama camp to select Hillary for VP:
I encourage you to sign this petition saying NO to the recently increasing Hillary for VP push because of the following reasons:
1) Turning back to the Clintons at this point undermines the "CHANGE" theme of Obama's campaign, and WOULD ALIENATE Obama's supporters for whom this was a critically important and worthy principle: Bringing Clinton into the campaign brings all the Clinton players and insiders back into power at the same time, throwing out the fundamental principle of Obama's campaign. We've worked hard to TURN THE PAGE on all of this.
2) The ugliness and hostility inflicted by Hillary's campaign, without warrant or reciprocation, upon Obama and his supporters, should not be rewarded. Why should the Clintons be allowed to bully their way back into the Whitehouse this way? It should not need to even be spelled out that this has been frankly shocking and horrifying to most of us.
3) Obama should have THE RIGHT to select HIS OWN RUNNING MATE, according to his OWN criteria. The value of trust, compatibility, working toward the same goals, and a comfortable working relationship should not be disregarded. A team that has personal chemistry and who will energize and reinforce one another is of SIGNIFICANT VALUE.
4) Having both Clintons there upstaging Obama's presidency would NOT BE FAIR, and could be a constant burden and distraction to a new administration. Look at Bill Clinton's behavior during this campaign: It simply is not credible to imagine that he would retreat quietly to a position of "supporting spouse", avoiding embarrassing business and political dealings, avoiding awkward and embarrassing statements in the press and to audiences at speaking engagements, and avoiding scandal not to discount his other humanitarian accomplishment. It's frankly arrogant and bordering on racist to try to force Obama to accept this kind of chaperoning of his administration by the "wise, been-there-already" Bill and Hillary team who have spent the campaign slinging mud, braking rules, making ridiculous and insulting play after ridiculous and insulting play against the nominee, and repaying their once-loyal black supporters by playing the race card incessantly.
The question is not "Why not bring Hillary on". The question rather is "WHY bring her on?" This is clearly the WRONG person to put on the ticket alongside Obama as it will be like adding gasoline on fire for the republicans to hound Obama%u2019s Message%u2026Not because of misogyny%u2026 Not because of "Clinton hate"%u2026 Because of the reality of the situation. Barack Obama did not put the Clintons into this position: THEY PUT THEMSELVES THERE.
Because of these and many legitimate reasons others can add to the list, I strongly believe she would not serve Senator Obama to his greatest potential and as such I say NO to Hillary for VP!
I am extremely dissapointed in Hillary and Bill Clinton. I have always supported the Clintons in past elections. However, this election, I wanted "Change" which is why I chose to support Barak Obama. It's quite ugly how the Clintons ran their campaign, tore down a fellow democrat, and seriously decieved her staunch supporters by leading them to believe that after Super Tuesday, the race between her and Obama was close. She is deceitful and the 19+ million voters who voted for Obama needs to be respected! I am tired of the Democratic Party playing into such a temper tantrum, sore loosing, pathetic group of Clinton Supporters by raining on the Democrats chaces of winning back the White House just so we can sooth the Clinton's ego. I have had enough of this foolishness! I will not support Obama if Hillary is on the ticket and most of the Dems that I know who have supported Obama, won't support the ticket either! We don't like how the Democratic Party is treating Obama.
This has been the most divisive election in my life. Americans should be ashamed of their selves The Clintons are only about what's in it for them. They never cared about the African American voters this is why Hillary pandered to the Hispanics in the primary. By all means climb on the backs of any availiable minority group and get a free ride to the WH. MSM is the cause of alot of this race baiting, people please wake up the world is watching! Obama08
She ran a disrespectful, dishonest, disgraceful campaign. Period.
When she was running against Sen Obama I saw there true colors and it was very hearting, I was very upset how mean spirited she could be and had no problem doing it, she was ruthless, I was going to vote for her just because of Bill not because she had done something spectacular while being First Lady.
I will never vote for any Clinton at any time so if the bitch thinks she's got a chance in '12 she needs more hormone pills. People won't forget how she and her "dog" of a husband messed over women while in the WH. She attacked every women who told the truth about her dog.
Too divise furthermore, can you just imagine the attacks the repugs will have if she is on the ticket ALL the negative comments she and her husband made about Obama. NO WAY!!!!!
It would be a disaster to name her VP. I am not going to reiterate the many accusations brought by others. However, I have evidence on file, and published on CSI-Jacksonville.com that clearly shows that she took money from parties to litigation - make that organized crime figures - quid pro quo for ex parte contacts to judges, in particular Clinton appointees, to intimidate them to obstruct justice in favor of the payor. In one case the judge discharged me OVER MY OBJECTION despite a liquid estate (claims against third parties) causing $170,000 in damages to creditors, because the litigation against those third parties would have been "a strain on the time of the court", refusing to transfer the case from bankruptcy court to the district court.
Hillary would be a poor choice for the Vice-Presidency. The Clinton's have made their significant contribution. In a country of over 300 million one would think that another candidate like Obama is long over due.
I will not vote for Obama, if he chooses Clinton as VP. In fact, I will vote for McCAin. Clearly choosing someone who has brutally attacked you and not having your husband endorsed Obama is no go for Hitlery!
I think that it is important to move beyond the Clintons. They would be going back in time, we need to move forward. Seek out Richardson, or Edwards, or even Webb. Someone with integrity, honor, values, and real ideas for change. Richardson would be my first choice.. he's proved he can do it. Edwards would also be a stellar choice and I think if asked he would accept.
I have learned a lot about both Clintons and the Rodham brothers during the course of the primary. Some things have been so terrible, I don't even like to talk about them. I don't think Barack Obama should have Hillary Clinton as a VP running mate, I also wouldn't want to see her in his administration at any level to be honest. My reasons are too numerous to list.
no hillary at all
She'll saddle Obama with all of her negatives when he has to appeal to cross-over Republicans and Independents and not just appease the narrow band of Democratic woman who are insisting on her. She represents old-boy power politics as usual and, if made VP, will work every day to undercut Obama's efforts to have a successful Presidency which the country desperately needs, since his effectiveness will hurt her chances for her own re-run in 2012. There will be a dysfunctional relationship at the top of the ticket.
She's too hostile, too mean and she has her "enemies' list". Surely everyone can figure out who's at the top. NO Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hillary and Bill have made a disgrace of the USA and the good law abiding people of this country.
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4:21 am PDT, Jun 15,
Bill McGlone, Connecticut
If Hillary is chosen by the man preaching "Change" to be VP I will leave the Democratic Party after 47 years and work for Nader!!! |
I think putting Hillary on the ticket with Obama will defeat what he's about and that is CHANGE Putting the Clinton's back in the white is not a change. It's a RERUN. They've ran it (the white house) for 8 years. TIME TO MOVE ON.
This is most significant issue to me as a member of barackobama.com. Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton and their supporters who bashed Obama ruthlessly during the primary are pressing the Clintons upon the OBAMA GE TICKET as "INEVITABLE VP" under pretense Obama NEEDS Clintons to win and the disrespectful to Obama stance that Hillary DESERVES to be running mate of Obama AND Obama requires Clintonista assistance in selection of OBAMA perfect running mate. The rationale is specious regarding Hillary's primary votes: The old Hillary primary voters are free agents to move now into the GE and 80-90% of the democrats, independents, republicans will not vote against their own best interest if Senator Obama refuses to bring to his GE campaign the great baggage, Peter Paul election fraud is alive and well in Los Angeles deferred until November for Hillary deposition because judge is Bill appointee. One Hillary supporter Rep. Charles Rangel (NY) put it this way__Hillary needs VP slot so that she can keep momentum and remain on the national and international scene. THIS IS THE VP SELF INTEREST of Bill and Hill. Bill has said that he wants her VP to keep her close for her next White House Bid. THE CLINTONS LIED ABOUT AND SLANDERED Barack Obama ruthlessly during the Primary and he prevailed over the Clinton Machine. The Clintons are shameless do anything say anything politicians who are trying to strong-arm a win for Clintons out of the magnificent and exciting WIN of presumptive POTUS by Senator Barack Obama. The superb Team Obama and Senator Barack Obama have a precision political machine across 50 states and power surrogates. A SURE WAY TO BREAK the OBAMA MACHINE 21st Century minted is to allow OBAMA MACHINE to be become infected by the old dishonest, divisive, most dsyfunctional CLINTON MACHINE that to the happiness of 1,000,000s uppon 1,000,000s have been broken up by the Senator Barack Obama candidacy.
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Although, if Hillary was the nominee I would still vote for her I do believe that the differences in their campaign messages require that Senator Obama can not select her without looking like it is for one reason and that is to appease her supporters. Other than that I believe he MUST pick someone that will assist him in changing this country back into what it once was or something much better. GO OBAMA '08!!!!!
I am against Hillary Clinton for VP. This country needs a break from the Clinton / Bush Dynasty. This is not a rejection of a woman on the ticket, this is a rejection of Hillary Clinton. She acted like this election was her coronation. Her campaign was poorly planned, poorly implemented, and divisive to say the least. Barack Obama does not need to have Bill Clinton second-guessing him. We all know that Bill Clinton will not be able to resist the attention. Please let's get a fresh start - no more Clintons or Bushs for a long, long time.
Hillary Clinton is not a good choice, not a real feminist, makes poor choices in having scum like Mark Penn, Ickes, Carville and Wolfman run her campaign into the ground, cannot balance a budget, wasted campaign money. She is rude, disrespectful, has no ethics, uses Karl Rove's techniques to get what she wants. She whines and stomps her feet when she does not get her way. She surrounds herself with people who will lie to her out of fear of offending her. She is untrustworthy and lacks judgement. She has suspended her campaign and is holding on to her delegates. Why?? Wink Wink. If Senator Obama wants a knife in his back 24/7, he can pick her. She has succeeded in herding several sheep who are lost without her. Her claim to 18,000,000 votes is her undying legacy, many of these voters are republicans who wanted her to be Mc Cain's opponent, so they can thrash her on all her many issues like whitewater, her husband's contributors to the Clinton library etc. She is a lawyer, she knows better than to provide fodder for The Republicans against her own Party. I supported her, until she and her husband started playing the race card, she brought racists out from every closet, which is bad for America. We are trying to move forward, but they kept injecting race into the picture in a negative way.
This issue is very important to me and my family, as the clinton's should have been in jail fifteen years ago, we sure don't need either working in our goverment today!
I believe Hillary Clinton would be better suited as Health and Human Services Leader. She is very passionate about Universal Health Care and I do believe her and President Obama can come to some sort of compromise on Health Care for all that would include a blend of both their programs. This is something she has always dreamed of.( you hear it in her voice whenever she speaks about health care).I believe she is better suited in that cabinet postion.
The Clintons are appalling people. We gave Bill more credit than he deserved now that we understand more of how he let us down during his administration: trade agreements, corporate media, etc. Hillary, it turns out, is a bully and a liar. How could she possibly continue in politics?
If she were the nominee I could have voted for her but she should not be on this ticket because; 1) she will galvanize the Republican base, 2) high negatives, 3) too much baggage, 4) the "dynasty" problem, 5) will damage the "change" message of Obama. This ticket would be a disaster for the Party. It would bring out her supporters but many of them will vote for Obama anyway and it would mobilize the Republicans and dissuade Independents to vote for this ticket. A bad, BAD idea if the Party wants to win the White House in November.
To force Clinton onto the Obama ticket would destroy everything Obama stands for. I do not support Clinton as VP.
Anyboby but Hillary. Well, not anybody but you know what I mean.
Hillary has way to much baggage and the recent polls indicate that women are leaning toward Barack and not McCrazy!
Sen. Clinton has not crossed the threshold of LOYALTY.
Hillary does not fit with what Obama is trying to do. Even though they are similar in policies, they ran two opposite campaigns, one was negative and one was constantly taking the high road. there is no way Hillary should be rewarded for all the scorched earth campaign she ran against obama. i'd rather take edwards before her even though edwards is a weak candidate.
Hillary would be the worst possible v.p. choice for reasons too numerous to mention. For starters,picking her would cancel out Obama's message of 'change' and would be a surrender to the politics as usual crowd. She would attract white women 'of a certain age' (Gloria and Geraldine, for example) but would turn off thousands of new voters who (rightfully, I hope) view Obama as substantially different from the politics of Bush & Rove, and Clinton & Carville. Hillary as VP? UGH, UGH, UHG. This liberal/libertarian voter would either stay home, or maybe even vote for Ron Paul.
PLEASE NO. Even my mac agrees as the caps went on automatically. No for all the obvious reasons which are far too painful and many to mention.
Change does not begin with people who only know the inside. HRC should stay in the Senate and focus on representing the people of NY.
Putting Hillary Clinton in the VP slot on the ticket would weaken it tremendously, by legitimizing the attacks she made on him, showing him to be so weak that he had to give in to her pressure, raise again the issue of his judgment (he backed Lieberman, who now attacks him) and force him to answer the question: what does one make of her delusionary Bosnian sniper story? Putting her on the ticket weakens his claim to be seeking real change. She is a Neocon like Lieberman. One would have to wonder about him if he chose her. Moreover, why should she be rewarded for running up a record debt for primary campaigns, mainly after it was obvious that all she could accomplish was to do him harm?
You deserve better, Sen. Obama!!
There's no place for old, dirty politics in President Barack Obama's administration. Hillary needs to re-group and check her heart & motivations before returning to any type of public service.
She trashed him for a year and half why should she be rewarded !!!
After the shabby and disgusting way Barack Obama was treated by the Clintons there is NO way she should be the VP choice. Clintons - just go away!
I want Barack Obama to make his own choice for VP and not be swayed by people who are trying to make him pick Clinton.Barack Obama needs someone who while they may not agree with him on every issue however he needs somone who will be loyal to him and for some reason I just can't see The Clintons fitting that role.
Sen. Obama will destroy his credibility and destroy our hope for the future with him as President of the United States if he selects Hilary "Medusa" Clinton as his running mate.
I supported Hillary until I heard Michelle Obama speak on her husband. Also I did some research and found Hillary's Political expertise not more appealing. It was refreshing to know there was someone else out there. Hillary should play a role but VP is just not it. It would facilitate her quest for next presidential year's nomination and undermine the change Obama promises. Give her one of the Chief Justice positions or some other position of power.
they both bring too much baggage
Sen. Clinton is the antithesis of "change we can believe in"--therefore, I vote that she NOT be the choice for VP.
I wish the media would quit pushing this ticket. I cannot understand how you can run the country on day one and can't even manage your own campaign. Makes you wonder how they did it in the 1990s. Clinton played the dirtiest campaign in history. Barack Obama made history and it was played down like it was nothing...BUT it was! YES WE CAN! Change is not change until it's CHANGE and the Clinton's are NOT Change. They've had their season, it just wan't Hillary's time, since February 5th. Why did she stay in? Them working class voters are really another name, but I choose to think of what is Happening in America "There's more that brings us together than that separates us" We all have to live and with this economy we need CHANGE. Hillary is NOT change..pandering to voters, lying...hinting about the something happening to Mr. Obama. The People are not stupid...we've already experienced that with Bush....Enough! I Want Change...YES WE CAN YES WE CAN!
I agree with all the reasons spelled out in the petition. She will also galvanize the Republicans to come out to vote against the Democrats. And frankly, I don't think Obama would be safe with Hillary as the VP - it is not a good idea to be the only person standing between a Clinton and the presidency.
NO HRC- NO 3-ring-circus NO Clintons upscaling the Pres!!!!!!!!!
NO to Hillary for VP
For all the reasons given. We don't need the drama
The Clintons have entirely too much baggage between them. I would not vote or support a ticket with her on it. Jamal Simmons hit it on point, there is a right and a wrong way to fight with your brother or sister! Period! When she co-signed for John McCain's record and said get Sen Obama to get a speech..... That was the beginning of the end. The kennedy assasination remark put the nail in the coffin (no punt) for me!!
HRC's campaign was too negative towards Barack Obama......She will dilute his 'CHANGE' message...it is a bad idea and would look like he has been forced into picking her for VP
Hillary is the old politics she is not willing to listen to anybody or her health care would of passed years ago. She has insulted to many people so I for one would not vote for her. If a petition is all that is needed to be VP maybe I should get one started for myself.
I agree with all the above reasons why HC should not be offered the VP, the divisiveness of her campaign tactics alone would in my opinion exempt her from any post in the Obama Administration. She should not be rewarded with a post after her performance in the primaries.
