Renew Sun Sparc Workstation Product Line
performance & stability & scaleability
4~8,000 UDS
The variety of choice is always advantageous to customers...
I think it would be good to have low end workstations at price
I would like to see some more price effective workstations. They would certainly sell more in desktop multithreaded applications.
Sun hardware has always been well designed and rugged. I still use Sun Blades 1000/2000 and Sun Fire V880, Sun E450. It would be a shame to lose the engineering excellence of these machines to history.
I can manage anywhere from $2000 to $5000 for a good workstation.
Platform stability, true 64-bit RISC architecture, performance, build quality.
Starting from US$1,000 for the very basic configuration, and up to approx US$15,000 for a fully configured top-of-the-line model system.
SPARC64 VII kicks ass !!!
$500-$2500
I would like to have a SPARC workstation to get to the next level of graphics performance with using the power of CMT processors. Unfortunately the current graphics toolsets are not parallelizable enough to run on multiple cores, but we will never get these technologies without having extremely parallel workstations. Application: on-line 3D-Film generation, finite element methods for the masses
Price range could be 4k to 100k depending on the application area.
Sure all this interest about the sun4v, T1's, T2's, T2+'s and the massively multi-threaded apps is really nice to see but what SPARC workstations do I give our developpers for use on their desks? Do I give them a -noisy- T2000, T5120, T5240 with a graphics card and a keyboard? I want a SPARC workstation to give to my developpers (locally and remote branches), otherwise I'm afraid everyone will want to go Xeon+RHEL.
From 4,000 Euros to 8,000 Euros, with decent specs.
Multiscreen on sparc system, Less changes of existing application
Price: US$ 2000 for single processor and US$3000 for double
Architecture, Firmware, Hardware quality.
$500-$2500
To replace aging Ultra 80 and SunBlade 1000.
$5,000 - $15,000
To use for development, graphical/visualisation front-end, testing, possibly also as low-end deskside server.
$5,000 - $10,000
Why do you want a Sparc Workstation? What features would you like to see? They work stable and reliable. Software engineering is more efficient and the results are much better. My first workstation was a 3/80 (68030) followed bei SPARCstation 1+. I just like it.
What price range do you think reasonable (for yourself or someone you know who would be interested) for a new Sparc Workstation in 2009? 5000 $ is fully o.k.
A solid stable development base. SPARC for binary compatibility. Required to replace Silver SB2500 - 2 x SPARC VII with 4-6xHDD, DVD-RW, eSATA external + 4xUSB-2(3?) + 2xN/W + Expansion slots. A M3000 in a SB2500 skin would also be most welcome. My ultimate flexible workstation would be single motherboard with SPARC VII and Quad Core AMD fitted, both running Sol 10, spec as above, packed into the same chassis. Think of the AMD as a built in SunPCI.
2-6K price range. Must have good build quality and run for years as we normally expect.
Do a sparc version copy of the U40 M2... Support 2 high end graphics cards, pci-e x16 gen 2, 2 ethernets, system mgmt asp chip in there for Ilom. Expandable to 4 disks would be great. Use nvidia's fx series of cards would be fine.
Target $5000, but if need be take the M3000 motherboard and stuff it in a U40 "like" case and link in some IO. :-) Market may take the 5-7k pricepoint. I get asked about this every couple of weeks,
I value binary compatibility with other UltraSPARC systems.
$1000 to $5000 US
We have 60 Sparc servers in computer rooms. We have the requirement for some desk side Sparc systems, workstations or servers, that can operate isolated from our computer room based equipment. A desk side system based on the M3000 with SPARC64-VI and/or SPARC64-VII would make the most sense right now. 8 disk drive slots would be nice.
Priced between $4K to $12K
Why do you want a Sparc Workstation? What features would you like to see? 4 core SPARC VII at 2.5GHz or greater 16GB RAM
What price range do you think reasonable (for yourself or someone you know who would be interested) for a new Sparc Workstation in 2009? £1000
As a system engineer/administrator at a large company that supports between 70 and 100 Sun Servers I find it essential that I have a Sparc Workstation that can run the same OS level, etc., as my servers in order to have a test bed for my administrative shell scripts, etc., etc.
Can't comment as I don't pay for it myself.
Less Sparc workstations means more wintel boxes which is a bad thing in terms of reliability and security.
Compact sun4v
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The Sparc workstation was key to my accounts. There is still a large demand for a binary compatible unit to keep many applications running for at least 10 years in the Auto industry.
Half the price of the M3000 for the base unit. Simply take the U45 frame and fit the M3000 motherboard to it. You would have a winner!
Ford is still using thousands of Sparc workstations, and it'll take several years [at best] to migrate to an all-Intel solution. Having new Sparc hardware available would help to take some pressure off of the transition.
$4k - $6k
Ford is still using thousands of Sparc workstations, and it'll take several years [at best] to migrate to an all-Intel solution. Having new Sparc hardware available would help to take some pressure off of the transition.
$4k - $6k
4 disk internal capacity USB-3 firewire dual ethernet competitive graphics competitive price
lowend $1000 highend < $5000
Why do you want a Sparc Workstation? What features would you like to see?
What price range do you think reasonable (for yourself or someone you know who would be interested) for a new Sparc Workstation in 2009?
development of sparc solaris software, sunrays just won't cut it for a oneuser solution. Also for MCAD
Support for ILOM and at least 2 x PCI-E 16x slots. Base the system on the SPARC64 VII single scket design (ie M3000)
5-10,000 USD would do
"Cheap" and simple development and test platform, two options * T2 (or follow-on) based (good test ground for multithread development) * SPARC64VII (nice single-thread perfomance)
A SPARC64-VII based mid sized tower system, similar to the Ultra 45. It is not necessary to have four operational cores, two would be just fine, which will keep the dissipation lower. The M3000 motherboard might be a good start! Also it must be considerably silent. Use FBD fans (e.g. Scythe fans) and tuning PC power supplies (e.g. Corsair HX620 or HX1000).
Less than 3k USD.
Why do you want a Sparc Workstation? To help the SPARC ISV base deliver on SPARC, and to provide SPARC shops affordable boxes for binary-compatible software development and deployment. What features would you like to see? Everything that's on a typical power-user's Intel desktop system. A 1-or-2-slot deskside/desktop blade system with a sizeable integrated PCI-E bay and cached hardware RAID should do the trick. That would also allow use of x64 blades in the same enclosure.
What price range do you think reasonable (for yourself or someone you know who would be interested) for a new Sparc Workstation in 2009? $3000-$5000 base.
A cool and quiet workstation running the latest SPARC CPUs (not CMT), will be essential to win over more developers of Solaris on SPARC!
Please be price competitive to high-end x86 Personal Computers, else no one will buy.
Binary compatibility with Sparc servers I'm developing for and maintaining is the critical factor. Performance is not critical by any means provided it is kept within a reasonable envelope.
I would certainly be able to justify a slight premium over the PC or Mac prices, but the price should certainly be within a reasonable range. Performance wise it does not even have to be on par with the latest and greatest from Intel/AMD - it is the binary compatibility that counts.
development and system admin
$2000-3000
I want a SPARC workstation in order to continue long-standing use of SPARC applications since 1993.
$12K with 32GB RAM and 2 145GB SAS drives.
SPARC64 VII+ based !
$1999
Small compact SUN4V
We are still a SPARC shop, and our engineers need SPARC desktop systems. It's really that simple.
Price isn't as important in a corporate shop such as ours. We're not competing with Dell here, we are fulfilling a technical need: SPARC + workstation == necessary for big SPARC shops
Got some SPARC?
No more than 3,5k usd!
The SPARC, IBM Power and DEC Alpha are superior designs to Intel x86 PERIOD.
Bring the SPARC back to life by putting it in to a hip video game system like IBM did with their chips.
At my school we use Sun Ultra 45 SPARC workstations as servers for SRSS designed specifically for highly complex OpenGL programs (since they have very shiny full-length double-frame Quadro cards in them). They are suitable as servers due to their openFirmware BIOS, which can be configured using RS-232; we use it as a sort of ghetto LOM in conjunction with boot-on-power/wake-on-LAN. We are interested in updating these SPARC workstations in the future, but with other SPARCs, not the x86 u24 boxen. It's a shame that the U45s didn't seem to sell very well; they certainly worked nicely for us, as it's rather difficult to fit a full-length PCIe card into a rackmount case.
Whatever the old price range was is fine for me.
There is no reason that a blade or a 1u rack server and a inexpensive desktop workstation and a SunRay all could use the same motherboard and power supply assemblies, you need even include a laptop in the mix, matter of fact the laptop mother board design would be the bases of the motherboard, it's all about variances in production engineering ease of assembly, marketing and the looks the AT stype upright case and the looks to appeal to the end user and the features to make a person want to purchase, Marketing who are there own worst enemy. 1. Integrated HDMI/ DVI /VGA interface for Full HD 1080p Blu-ray playback with HDCP GPU should be both i86pc and SPARC capable. 2. Latest usb 1.1 2 3 version of the specs and internal and external connectors. 3. iIntegrated 6 SATA 3Gb/s with RAID function internal and external connectors. Newer Sata Spec SATA 4 would be smart thing to have. 4. Audio analog and digital both Sparc and i86pc capable fiber connector would be nice for Supports Dolby Home Theater audio 5. solid capacitors design. 6. Consideration of BIOS/OBP for remote access via DHCP one of the Ethernet connectors, also allow a USB crossover cable for the /kernel/usb/console driver would be needed similar to the one for Linux from a laptop for console access. 7. PS/2 and keyboard connectors should no longer be needed. 8. MB should have a SANS options vs PCI connectors on the MB mask space could be dual use of real estate 9. IDE connector is no longer needed. 10 bluetooth 11 N/B/B/A wireless. 12 DVD borner 13 UDB and audio connectors in the front 14 SD type cards slot on the front. 15 2gig min, w. 4 uses SO-DIMM DDR3 sockets on motherboard same as laptop to keep costs down.
less then $800 for a 1t HD Less then $500 w. no HD
Why do you want a Sparc Workstation? What features would you like to see? applications
What price range do you think reasonable (for yourself or someone you know who would be interested) for a new Sparc Workstation in 2009? USD $3000,00
* Kewl enclosure. Perhaps something between an old IPX and a Mac Mini? Sun Logo that lights up (best feature of the SB2000 besides it's power)! Metallic shell, like the front of the T5x20's. * UltraSPARC-T2 with 4 cores * 4 x FBDIMM slots (have to stick with the memory controller tech in the chip) * 2 x GigE NIC ports * 2 x SATA 2.5" laptop hard drives (gotta keep the space down) * 1 x DVD-RW/CD-RW slot drive * 4 x USB 2.0(3.0?) ports * 1 x Nvidia video chipset with 2D/3D support, DVI port, no skimping here! * 1 x Integrated sound card with all the normal in/out ports. * 2 x PCI-E low-profile slots * Type 7 keyboard/mouse USB kit. * Silent fans! * External power brick to save space and reduce heat.
$1,200-1,500 would be the right price range for people.
The reason SPARC workstations went away was due to Sun's lack of commitment to driving down the cost to something comparable with their professional line of x64 systems. The cheaper Ultra M20 x64 machine is also being retired quietly, limiting the customer base further. I want SPARC because it's a cleaner architecture, has a faster and more scalable bus, is easier to port to high-end sparc workstations to high-end SPARC servers from a pro consumer (Think Apple's Mac Pro). The other issue with them was the graphics, they are still honoring 8 year old ATI hardware with next to no acceleration or open-source direction. This drove off many CAD engineers just as SGI's Itanium switch using Linux drove many to Macs.
Cost range, as opposed to the former $5000 Sun needed needs to be at 2499, in line with Mac Pros, which have for years (Formerly as PowerMac with PowerPC) trumped any of the modern features Sun could put out on their E250-based U80, U10, or Ultra 2 systems, up to including video, computing power, scaling, adoption of multi-core, graphics, disk space, gigabit ethernet, more complete os driver features such as integration, and more friendly and comprehensive support. 1 year warranty, offering 2 year and 4 year extensions, such as silver or gold as already provided, for hardware, and software (Sun Studio, Netbeans, Solaris) at different tiers, just as has been done for years on your x64 systems, to keep it competitive. EOL those Ultra3-era processors you kept using for workstations, seriously now.
I require 3D performance for my mechanical CAD. Why couldn't the OBP be updated to work with standard graphics cards? Sun started out as an engineering workstation company, lets get back to the roots of this. This is why people used Sparc Workstations, they were always faster and more stable then the commodity computers.
The price range I'd be willing to pay is about $3,000 - $6,000 for a decent workstation.
Development and testing on SPARC would otherwise require a larger and more costly server. In addition, GLP mode for VirtualGL is currently only supported on SPARC.
$1000-1500 (with a basic 3D-accelerated graphics card)
I would require acceptable 3d performance, though it need not be the best available.
I would expect to pay somewhere in the range of $3000-$5000 myself, depending on features, and would expect higher end solutions to be available for those that need them.
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