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DEMAND for ANSWERS: Why are ISPs forced to carry terrorist web sites?

Target: John Ashcroft, Attorney General of the United States, Office of the Attorney General,
Sponsor: Johnathan Galt
  • Signatures: 221
  • Goal: 20,000
  • Deadline: 5-15-2003
DEMAND for ANSWERS from the U.S. DoJ and the Customs Service: "Why are ISPs forced to carry terrorist web sites"?

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Number Date Name City State Zip/Postal Code Country Does freedom of speech include soliciting funds to murder people overseas? What should be done?
224 5:21 pm PST, Jan 22 jeremiah simms Atlanta Georgia 30350 United States no, it needs to stop NOW we should decide on what should be done
223 9:20 pm PST, Nov 21 myles hayes kings park New York 11754 United States no we are enabling our own destruction by doing this stop it now block all terrorist pro media attempts it is time to take our country back from terrorists
222 7:42 pm PDT, Jun 19 Nick Irwin Birmingham Alabama 35243 United States Freedom of speech is a two-way street. You have to give a little to get a little. Government should do a better job of tracking information sent through terrorist websites.
221 6:11 am PDT, May 1 stephanie lessard Derry New Hampshire 03038 United States no gov.should upstep efforts to make this a criminal offense
220 11:24 pm PDT, Apr 28 Suzanne Bar-Tal Misgav Am   12155 Israel No If you take the terrorists off the air they loose an iternatioal forum designed to itimidate and gloat!
219 3:31 am PST, Mar 28 Rachel Kleypas-sparrow norwich   nr1 2rh United Kingdom I don't believe freedom of speech includes seeing innocent people tortured and killed for something that they haven't done. Most of these victims are people who are seeking peace and not war. We must let the terrorists know that we will not agree to any ransom by them showing innocent people being killed and that that method doesn't work. Killing innocent people isn't going to get a response and would have an adverse affect and that they won't get the result they want through terror.
218 8:58 am PST, Mar 16 Toni Sokoloski Marstons Mills Massachusetts 02648 United States no its a crime to murder people, arrest people for it.
217 8:59 pm PST, Feb 27 John Bechtold Saint Petersburg Florida 33713 United States i cant believe this is really possible!wtf! action should be taken in the form of no mercy!
216 2:46 am PST, Feb 22 Steve Klein x Armed Forces Americas 00000 Canada x x
215 6:40 pm PST, Feb 20 Anna Asbury Louisville Kentucky 40214 United States No --
214 4:53 pm PST, Feb 18 Curt Herman Coldwater Michigan 49036 United States no, how sick it is that this would come up. take it off.
213 6:43 pm PST, Feb 4 Spencer Hughes Deep River Iowa 52222 United States Freedom of speech should be protected everywhere, unless it is harmful. If the specific terrorists are known killers, then it doe not include. However, if they are suspected "terrorists", and no proof has been found against them, then, yes, freedom of speech does apply. ISPs should do whatever they want to. It is their servers, after all.
212 2:12 am PST, Feb 4 Christina Ellyson Hampton Virginia 23669 United States This is outrageous! It amounts to solicitation to commit murder. Allow ISP's to shut down and de-fund terror.
211 3:52 pm PST, Jan 21 C Lisa Jackson Portland Oregon 97225 United States no much
210 8:37 pm PST, Jan 11 Anonymous Hoquiam Washington 98550 United States ??????? ????????
209 6:43 am PST, Jan 8 Chandra Patel Bristol Tennessee 37620 United States no cut the tie
208 12:24 pm PST, Jan 7 Anonymous Crestwood Kentucky 40014 United States Did you goofs ever consider that the government wants the sites up so they can get info on WHO and WHAT they are doing?!?! NOTHING...let the government track them!
207 6:30 pm PST, Jan 2 Anonymous Macon Georgia 31211 United States NO! Terrorists with websites should be tracked down and prosecuted and new sites denied. At the very least, the sites should be taken down if the owners can't be tracked down.
206 9:58 pm PST, Dec 8 Anonymous Castleford Armed Forces Americas 00000 United Kingdom no stop
205 8:51 am PST, Dec 8 Brenda Schenk Hoquiam Washington 98550 United States Obviously it does, because that is sadly what has been happening. It's such a shame that our freedom of speech is being used to neglect & abuse & murder people. How sad, how very sad. I'm not sure. But there has to be some thing that we can do to not promote neglect, abuse, murder, torture, etc.
204 7:49 am PST, Nov 24 Thomas Pirovano Bern Armed Forces Americas 00000 Switzerland yes All things
203 10:32 pm PST, Nov 16 Rachel Ryan Savannah Georgia 31401 United States nope that is called premeditated murder, I believe. The US government should have no say in what can and can not be available through individual internet providers
202 10:42 am PST, Nov 16 Jodi Baldwin Baltimore Maryland 21225 United States No, FREEDOM OF SPEECH was meant to protect life not to help end it. It needs to be taken off immediately. If they want it on the net then let them post elsewhere, I have Muslim friends and none of them find it important or even interesting to view those types of pages. No ONE religion is better than another and they need to get over it.
201 9:31 am PST, Nov 11 Ms Zentura Casper Wyoming 82604 United States No. Stop it.
200 5:25 am PST, Nov 10 Anonymous Milw Wisconsin 53215 United States It is unfortunate or fortunate but “freedom” is just that! It is also freedom for us not to support it! We do have “laws” against murder, terrorism and “hate” crimes; let us put them to use! How often do we hear of those who use their freedom to be arrested when those who do the “selling” get off free! We have the freedom to buy, barter or swap anything that is available to do so! IF THE ITEM IS “AGAINST” THE “LAW” STOP IT FROM BEING AVAILABLE! and get those who are producing or selling it!
199 5:59 pm PST, Nov 4 Regina Knapp Santa Ana California 92707 United States NO,SINCE MUDER IS AGAINST THE LAW THIS CONSTITUTES AIDING AND ABETING. ANY WEB SITE AND SOLICITES MUDER SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN.
198 8:59 pm PDT, Oct 21 Pamel Starr-johnson Pocatello Idaho 83201 United States no it should not more monitoring
196 12:16 pm PDT, Sep 10 Vanessa Sayre Vandalia Ohio 45377 United States I dont know Freedom of speech means that its ok to say what you want
195 8:57 am PDT, Aug 25 Anonymous Sydney   2000 Australia No, but there is a good reason for letting people express such unsavoury idealogies on the internet. Let them continue - with freedom of speech comes a freedom to listen, most people will dismiss this propaganda as abhorrent. To let people fully understand their terrorist enemy and for our Intelligence Agencies to gather more information from the terrorists' use of the internet we should allow this. That is our power as democratic peoples together with our governments - we choose to allow this, in our best interests.
194 1:46 pm PDT, Aug 16 Ann Jenkins Bayview Georgia 31316 United States x x
193 9:29 pm PDT, Aug 15 Lucas Bailey Klamath Falls Oregon 97603 United States No, We are ordained with these rights, but, we must practice tolerence and moderation, we can't let extremeness of any kind to flourish... Take 'em out, shut down the ISP...same policy as those nations which support them....
192 5:53 am PDT, Jul 27 Janice Eakle Greenwood Indiana 46142 United States Murder? I do not believe in it.... If the government isn't going to do anything. Then the people should try to change it...
191 2:51 pm PDT, Jul 23 Wendy Horn Arcata California 95521 United States no! DEMAND for ANSWERS from the U.S. DoJ and the Customs Service: "Why are ISPs forced to carry terrorist web sites"?
189 5:34 am PDT, Jul 16 Kat Vivas Atl Cty New Jersey 08401 United States No it doesn't. This is an abuse of that freedom. Shut them down forever.
188 4:09 pm PDT, Jul 7 George Washington East Rutherford New Jersey 7073 United States No. The same way that yelling 'FIRE!' in a crowded theater is not covered under Freedom of Speech, neither is this. ISPs forced to report such sites to the government for use in intelligence gathering / removal.
187 10:53 am PDT, Jul 7 anthony chambers chicago Illinois 60622 United States no shut them down
185 2:53 pm PDT, Jun 14 Andrew Quick Dayton Ohio 45420 United States Absolutely not. This government needs an ass-whiping. Nothing can be done. The past, present, and future are an illusion, however persistant.
184 8:03 pm PDT, Jun 7 James Milligan Omar West Virginia 25638 United States No,these are foreign terrorists, since when are they covered under the BILL OF RIGHTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA???! Any U.S. company that provides goods of services to any suspected or proven terrorist network should have all of their assets seized by the federal government and put to use toward fighting terrorism. i.e selling property for money to fund the war on terror.
183 2:48 pm PDT, May 25 Anonymous Pride Louisiana 70770 United States stop it now/ no get real; stop playing house with muslims
182 5:31 am PDT, May 25 Anonymous London   90210 United Kingdom No Fine, Arrest and Close down those responsible for holding terrorist websites!
181 11:21 pm PDT, May 19 susan murrell Denver Colorado 80260 United States no ?
180 11:48 am PDT, May 6 Anonymous Galloway Ohio 43119 United States NO ISPs should be given the right to refuse service for these groups/individuals
179 11:21 am PDT, Apr 23 Brendan Calamito Maywood New Jersey 07607 United States No. It certainly has a fine line between freedom of speech and crime. Whoever is doing this should be prosecuted.
178 3:50 pm PDT, Apr 14 Matan Shelomi Scarsdale New York 10583 United States Yes… but not without the support of everyone involved. I for one do NOT support murder, nor do most of the unfirtunates whose money is being used to kill innocent men, women, and children by Arab insurgents. Block these sites and cut their service.
177 10:17 pm PDT, Apr 4 Cherie Cortez Columbus Ohio 43228 United States Freedom of speech does not cover criminal actions! Evidence of criminal actions shouold preclude further internet space although I doubt that this is really feasible.
176 1:36 am PST, Mar 19 Anonymous Portland Oregon 97201 United States ... ...
175 9:43 pm PST, Mar 12 Alicia Taylor Smyrna Tennessee 37167 United States we have free speech, but we also have laws. web pages that are criminal should not be legal
174 1:53 am PST, Mar 7 Siek Leszek Koszęcin   42 - 286 Poland !!! !!!
173 12:47 pm PST, Mar 5 Eryk Tobiasz Poznań   62-002 Poland NO. Correct the law.
172 4:45 pm PST, Feb 24 Marina Payne Winston Oregon 97496 United States no warnings on thoose sites on a splash page should be required
171 10:51 pm PST, Feb 20 Christina Turner Killbuck Ohio 44637 United States hell no anything and everything
170 10:00 pm PST, Feb 15 djbukithead2004 poop ryde Texas 12345 United Kingdom nope nothing
169 2:16 am PST, Feb 10 Diana M. Klapakis Olean New York 14760 United States absolutely not everything and anything possible for prevention.
168 4:26 am PST, Jan 30 John Tarin Cleburne Texas 76033 United States No Enact whatever laws are necessary to protect the existing freedoms we still have.
167 11:57 am PST, Jan 18 Anonymous boston   pe20 1jl United Kingdom no funds confiscated and used for better things such as aid for muslims in poor countries as then it still would be given to the muslim world and then you cannot be accused for theft as the money still gets to them but for better things than weapons
166 7:12 pm PST, Jan 17 Anonymous gotha Florida 34734 United States no dont no
165 6:34 pm PST, Jan 8 Anonymous Surrey   NA Canada What ? These terrorist motherfuckers should die. And die they will. Is there any better solution? Kill all of the motherfuckers, and let god sort them out.
164 10:32 pm PST, Dec 24 Anonymous Grovetown Georgia 30813 United States n/a n/a
163 9:50 pm PST, Nov 26 Anonymous Montrose California 91020 United States NO! STOP HELPING TERRORISTS.
162 4:35 pm PDT, Oct 30 Anonymous Carthage Alabama na United States no stop dissemination of hate
161 9:24 am PDT, Oct 26 Caleb Duke Indianapolis Indiana 46032 United States Why? Come on Ashcroft... you have the power... DO SOMETHING for gods sake.
160 11:14 am PDT, Oct 22 Barbara Gottstein St. Paul Minnesota 55116 United States Bush, his corrupt lying adminstration n the federal agencies like the Fbi n Cia should follow the U.S. constution to the letter which they are not doing. Bush should be ousted from being President n the federal agencies like the FBI n the CIA should reread the Constution n memorize n follow its contents. Both agencies should fire some of its corrupt lying n ill advised employees.
159 8:59 am PDT, Oct 18 Anonymous Miami Florida 33134 United States Well if it does you will have to excuse the republican party and the US military since that is what they are doing. And don't give me that bull shit that we are right and they are wrong. ISP should not be forced to carry terrorist web sites. They should have the freedom to decide what they host on their servers. But this is what you can expect for the current administration. Another 4 years of Bush and sites like this will be forced off ISP.
158 11:33 pm PDT, Oct 16 kalid wasity baghdad   00964 Iraq no we should find piece
157 9:42 am PDT, Oct 5 Anonymous */-   18539 Greece -*/- -*//-
156 12:35 pm PDT, Oct 1 Anonymous New Windsor New York 12553 United States No. First they are abusing Freedom of Speech and since they are not even in the United States performing these actions, this amendment should not apply to them. The government is no longer for the people of the United States. How can it be logical and loyal to the United States to allow these terrorists to have websites that allow them to make threats and kill people. I'd liked to know who is benefiting from this... Get a grip on our country! Support and Take care of our own people.
155 3:49 pm PDT, Sep 30 Anonymous Anderson Indiana 46016 United States NO Take the sites down and quit hosting them!
154 9:10 am PDT, Sep 30 Anonymous leesville Louisiana 71446 United States These are snuff films, and the victims are americans...so far. I can't call someone an idiot without a moderator abmonishing me for getting personal. Yet, a terrorist can saw off someones head and get away with it. What's up with that? hit them in the pocketbook, it's the only thing that matters to them.
153 2:14 am PDT, Sep 30 real freedom lover dqsd Federated States of Micronesia 654654 United States This petition is pure bullshit, do you really think this is ISP's fault ? Isn't it all because of censure and oppression that terrorism happened/happens ? Give more freedom to people so they don't have to fight to for it. That's their last option left.
152 3:20 pm PDT, Sep 29 John Hawkins Middlesbrough   TS23 0NB United Kingdom No! Stop giving the terrorists the means to reach the public that they want - murder is murder and ISP's who think they can wash their hands because they are not "directly involved" are seriously deluded! If on notification the ISP does not shut down the site the family/victims should be able to gain massive compensation from offending ISPs. The ISP's executives should be charged with treason. How do they think the family of a hostage feels about seeing their loved one paraded in chains or executed?
151 6:02 am PDT, Sep 29 Dat Nguyen Sai Gon   84-08 Viet Nam No Kill all of them,they are stupid dogs. we will stand by you ! http://www.hvaonline.net

DEMAND for ANSWERS: Why are ISPs forced to carry terrorist web sites?

Islamist Terrorism in the USA -- on the Internet hosted by American ISPs.

ISPs are being forced by someone in the U.S. Government to carry websites devoted to terrorism. These organizations have been officially designated by the U.S. Dept. of Justice as terrorist. They have websites hosted by American ISPs, which collect money for terror and recruit in direct violation of U.S. laws!
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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=286656
Hamas uses website to fund suicide bombings
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http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0502/0502qassam.htm
Is an American ISP hosting terrorist web sites?
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Hamas Continues Raising Funds Via Internet in the USA
http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=22567
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Firm blocks controversial Web sites temporarily
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1393564
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http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0502/0502ispterrorist.htm
Some group inside the U.S. Government is requiring ISPs to host the sites! The ISPs cannot take them down.
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Is the American government requiring American companies to host terrorist web sites?
By Jeremy Reynalds
May 13, 2002

With the situation in the Middle East close to boiling, two American Internet Service Providers are claiming that the government is requiring them to continue hosting web sites promoting terrorist groups and activities.

Let me explain. Last week I reported a story concerning the possible hosting by a Houston-based Internet Service Provider of a Hamas terrorist web site that's asking for donations to buy guns and ammunition. After calling the company for comment, I also e-mailed CEO Robert Marsh and asked him why his company was hosting such a site.

Marsh responded by e-mail, "We host a large number of web sites, directly and indirectly. We had no knowledge that we were hosting these sites. We don't want to host these types of sites and as we are made aware of them, we remove these offensive sites immediately. We here at Ev1 and Rackshack were deeply affected by the events on September 11th, and would never do anything to aid those people. Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention."

Being aware that the Hamas has been designated an illegal terrorist group by the United States government, I also alerted the Houston FBI. An agent took down all the information I gave him and told me to expect a call the next day. I never received any call back from the FBI and when the offending web sites weren't removed I initially figured that maybe the folks at Everyone's Internet weren't as "deeply affected " as they had made out.

However, a few days later I was e-mailed a story from the Houston Chronicle, which let me know why the web sites were still up and why the FBI hadn't called me back. However, these "answers" triggered even more questions. Marsh told the Chronicle he was unaware of the sites until recently (I suspect when I called his office and e-mailed him informing him of their existence), and that while Everyman's does not do business directly with the site operators in question, he was willing to block them anyway.

Now this is where the story gets really interesting and we need to start making calls and demanding answers. According to the Chronicle, after blocking the sites the company was contacted by the U.S. Customs Service which asked that the sites be put back on line again. Since when has the U.S. Customs Service had any form of legal authority over the web?

This time, Marsh did not return e-mails from me asking for comment. He had nothing to say to the Houston Chronicle either, on why the Customs Service wanted the sites running again. According to the Chronicle, "Marsh referred questions to a telephone number left by a customs agent. The number rang at the Customs Communications Center in Orlando, Fla., where an officer said he had no information on the case. FBI and customs spokesmen in Houston said they too had no information."

There's also apparent government involvement for another terrorist web site out there too, azzam.com. This site is filled with a lot of pro-Islamic, anti-American propaganda. Among other information, you can see quotes from Taliban officials and spokesmen such as "If a country or group violates our country, we will not forget our revenge." Another quote read, "Any enemy of the Muslims will be punished by God. The United States and Israel are enemies of Islam, and then there was "If anyone assists America and allows them to use their airspace or land routes against us then we will be forced to retaliate against them."

And rhetoric such as this is apparently being supported by an arm of the federal government, because the ISP hosts are not happy about their involvement. The hosting trail for this site eventually leads to burst.net

When I e-mailed burst.net asking why the company hosted such a site, here is the response I got from a Sean Rosler, who identified himself as being with System Administration.

"BurstNET DOES NOT voluntarily host the azzam.com web site. It has either been removed from our equipment (It hasn't) or has been left untouched by gov't official request. (My emphasis). It was formerly hosted here, was under government investigation, and was/will be removed as soon as the govt allowed us to do such. It would have been removed the instant we found out about it, had we not been instructed by the ‘powers that be' to leave it untouched ... We are a Jewish owned corporation, do you really think we want to host such crap?"

Folks, concerned Americans deserve explanations on this one. Why is the government apparently requiring these companies to continue hosting these sites? Let's contact the media, our elected officials and demand that we get some answers.

Jeremy Reynalds is a freelance writer and the founder and director of Joy Junction, New Mexico's largest emergency homeless shelter. He has a master's degree in communication from the University of New Mexico and is pursuing his PhD in intercultural education at Biola University in Los Angeles. He is married with five children and lives in Albuquerque, New Mexico. His work can be viewed here and weekly at www.americasvoices.org. He may be contacted by e-mail at reynalds@joyjunction.org.
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The US Government is breaking it's own rules by not enforcing Executive Order 13224 (blocking Terrorist Property AND PROHIBITING TRANSACTIONS WITH PERSONS WHO COMMIT, THREATEN TO COMMIT, OR SUPPORT TERRORISM). Every ISP hosting a terrorist website is in violation.
http://www.treasury.gov/terrorism.html
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In addition to signing this petition, if you are an American, you should contact *both* your senators:
http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm

and your representative:
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

and *DEMAND* an explanation from the U.S. Customs and the US-DOJ!

If you're British, contact your MP:
http://www.locata.co.uk/commons/
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For further information about the Islamist terror web:
http://www.geocities.com/johnathanrgalt/
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