- Signatures: 286
- Goal: 5,000
- Deadline: 6-24-2003
Wisconsin non-custodial parents are not being treated fairly. The child support guidelines need to be changed so as we can have a more comfortable standard of raising our children and living.
| Number | Date | Prefix | Name | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 287 | 4:46 pm PDT, Aug 11 | Anonymous | Someone needs to look ar Green County Courthouse. The family court commissioner is so biased and confused about some cases that it is total chaois. | |
| 286 | 9:58 am PST, Dec 4 | Ms. | Angelique C Kilmer | Racine County Courts should not have the right to take children away from GOOD FATHERS. Shared Parenting is never an option with this court system. Very unfair emotionally and physically to the children. |
| 285 | 4:23 pm PDT, Aug 29 | Anonymous | Did you even read the petition, b.broome? it's for fathers who WANT to see their kids and don't spend all their money on booze and motorbikes. it's NOT for father's who are father's in name only and use their children only for financial gain. | |
| 284 | 3:48 pm PDT, Aug 29 | bobby broome | i agree.. i love my children very much. but because of child support being taken out before taxes, im often left wondering if im going to be able to eat. its either eat or pay some of the bills. the mother agreed over the phone that the kids dont need half of what i pay but she would rather collect it out of spite and my hands are tied. now with a broke down car that i cant afford to fix and cant afford gas to even go see my little ones.. the mother says tough.. and the state just says "thats the way it is".. im happy to see im not alone in this.. thanks to everyone for this ray of hope.. | |
| 283 | 1:55 am PDT, Aug 11 | Anonymous | why does the state pay over 6000 dollars a mounth to jail a man for not paying child support it would cost tax payers less to just pay my support why not help a guy find a job or help him get back on his feet and when a man gets a job let him out of jail and dont take his dam licence away that has to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard now he cant go to work helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | |
| 281 | 1:15 pm PST, Dec 30 | Anonymous | ||
| 280 | 3:19 pm PST, Nov 29 | Ms. | Tasha Denman | I have a son that turned 3,june 2007 and his dad that was locked up in prison for the last 2 half years just got out in may 2007.this man was very abusive,he could not even keep his hands off me.my son was about 4 months old and i left and we stayed in a home for beated women intil i got on my feet.this man seen his son for about 5 months total and was not even paying child support.now he out and i keep good care of our son on my own,and the court system is allowing him to apply go through hearing for full custody becuase he don't want to pay support.And as this is going on the courts are allowing his mother to apply for guardianship when his and my case is not closed. |
| 279 | 11:30 am PST, Nov 28 | Ms. | Lynn Schleis | I have been forced to live at poverty level, because of the unfair judicial system. |
| 277 | 7:54 pm PDT, May 21 | Mr. | KL LeCOQ | Will the author of this website please contact me via email. I have an idea to pool our resources...and make a more powerful stance for our cause |
| 276 | 11:16 pm PST, Jan 29 | Robin Yocum | ||
| 275 | 2:29 am PDT, Sep 22 | Ms. | shannon ehlers | |
| 274 | 9:26 am PDT, Aug 9 | Ms. | Anonymous | Wisconsin sucks!!I wish I'd had my son in any other state besides WI. The family laws here are ridiculous....does anyone here wonder why Wisconsin family laws are so different from other states? I mean Illinois is right below us and there if your not married to the father he has no right to your child and Illinois doesnt FORCE 50/50 custody. I think the MEN trying to force women to give the fathers 50/50 custody need to think about what they're doing and how many children they are actually hurting by forcing this upon wisconsin women.Our legislators and OTHER MEN don't care about the children they are just whining...making it easier for all the LOSER FATHERS so they dont have to pay child support or just not as much.These LOSER FATHERS end up taking 50/50 so they dont have to pay so much child support, and sticking there kids with family members when the kid is supposed to be with the father..they dont really want there kid. I've seen more cases like this than of fathers who actually care for there kids and dont get to see them. My best friends son has to be with his father 50% of the time because Chippewa County said so...his father hasnt spent a day of his life with his son!His father puts him with his grandma EVERY TIME and thats where my friend picks her son up EVERY TIME. His father has been in trouble with the law countless times and in jail once for robbery,my friend knows he's involved in drugs and tells the police and case workers this and nothing is done....AND WISCONSIN SUPPOSEDLY CARES SO MUCH ABOUT OUR METH PROBLEM! It's a bunch of bull! And this is whats BEST for our children?! Best for them to be in custody of men like this? I know how she feels all to much...i too have to go through Chippewa County...the people in the courthouse look at us like we're scum and we're lying about our childrens fathers..every time we say something about our kids fathers like the fact that i get threatened from him or the fact that my friend will tell them that her sons father moved and she knows for a fact that there are drugs being made there,will even give his new address...they look at you like you're scum and say "You need proof of all of this." Yeah like we can just walk in with a video camera and say please,please show Chippewa County that you run a meth lab here...or tell my sons father to please start to threaten me right now so I can record you..? I'm not saying to totally take fathers rights away! It needs to be revised, they need to look at these LOSER FATHERS. I mean,my friends sons father doesnt even WANT his son, my friend makes enough for her and her son and doesnt want his support. Yet when they both go to the courthouse and he says he wants to give up custody (of one of his 5 children all between the ages of 1-3) CHIPPEWA COUNTY won't give her sole custody UNTIL SHE GETS MARRIED!!! Wisconsin won't even let fathers give up custody...because the mother is single?! She's paid for everything in her sons life, she provides the clothing,food and milk for her son when he goes to his grandparents, his father never did anything for him. It is proven that children of split families benefit and will do better in life if they are raised by one parent rather than having to hop back and forth from one parent to another, but for some reason Wisconsin is blind to that. It's hard on my son and he's only 4 yrs old,he gets confused and I can tell its hard for him to deal with. I love my son to death and I want whats best for my son, not for myself. My sons going to grow up and have problems and I fear that. "We care about kids" huh.....it doesnt seem like it. |
| 273 | 6:19 pm PDT, Jun 30 | Ms. | carmen cabezas | i am a better parent my abusive ex huband confer jusrisdition harras me on the phone and control me and hit me many time he was suffering from traumatic stress sindrome after he serve for the military his mother manipulated him with the bible and control him to but she pay for my first abortion because he had a property in the dell that he bought while we date and he was staying in my apartment in florida he collect $12,000.0 a year and i didnt have clothes shoes or furniture i was reallyb scare of him he brain watch me he use reverse spycology on me and he destroy my life by putting me in jail and getting custudy of my children they knew the system and the law and he treact me into going to wisconsin i was in therapy for domestic abuse and the goverment gave me day care my mother in law run a daycare with sandra nicoliny that why they came to take me there so they can collect the goverment money from my kids they should be in jail no me i never hit my children i cooked for them everyday and they were clean i dint even have a car to go no were i was a presioner in my own house and ernesto scream at me every single day specially after i had the baby adonis he got mad because i pick that name and his mother said that was not a biblical name she is not that holly any way she just want to contol everybody and make them go that church and is they dont want to she will put them in jail i dont know is they have some kind of favors with the more people they take to church and what they do with the tiding, i dont care i just want to be normal mother and spend time with my kids whem they older they could pick their own religion now they shold spend their time in shool and playing they dont need to pratice any type of relion at this early stage of their life i think maybe the jugde can decide but my children were born in miami and miami is not a oro father state specially is the peticioner is and abusive parent and husband maybe i could sue dr hollenbeck for giving custudy of my children to ernesto rodriguez i am better parent his mother told me she wante to get my children to get hrs help for herslf thats why she put me in jail so i could get sick and she could get the she should be in jail for causing me so much pain and stress. |
| 272 | 11:55 am PDT, Jun 30 | Anonymous | ||
| 271 | 1:45 pm PDT, Jun 9 | Helene Roberts | ||
| 270 | 9:38 am PDT, Jun 9 | Mr. | Joseph G. Roberts | Yes I live in IL But my child and ex-wife live in WI as I used to. I've been paying 595 per month for one child now for almost 10 years. I'm a software developer and have gone through two major rescissions that have had devastating effects on child and my self because I was required to pay the full amount plus interest even though I could not afforded it. Also because I live in IL I was unable to even afford the drive to see my child as I was very close to loosing my apartment. If it was not for close family and friends that either gave/ barrowed or aided in helping me see my child I would have lost everything (well did not have much to loose but my life). After calculating the percentage of my income that I have paid over the last 9.5 years at 595 per month it comes out that I have paid about 1/3 or 33% of my gross income in child support. And on top of this it is not like my ex-wife does not make any money as her income is at least 50k per year. For the most part I only see less then 50% of my gross check each month. Joseph G. Roberts |
| 269 | 10:05 pm PDT, Jun 8 | Anonymous | I love my child very much and I deserve to have him 50% of the time if not more. I have proven that I am a good parent, his mother hasn't. I take him to the doctor and dentist. He doesn't brush his teeth, take a shower, sleeps with his mother (he is 8), has asthma and people in the house smoke-after being asked by the asthmas specialist and his doctor ask them to stop. Took him to the dentist for the first time ever-8 cavities. Is this not neglect? But I am told that if his mother isn't abusing him that I won't get custody. The best that I can hope for is every other weekend. What about his siblings? They don't know what to do without their brother. The courts need to change to truly find out what is in the best interest of the child!!!!! Instead of what is in the best interest of the mother!!!!!! When a mother is trying to use your son as a pawn to get more child support, or wants to move out of the area to impede on my parental rights, and she is rewarded, I tell you that there is definately something wrong with the court system and it needs to be changed and soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
| 268 | 9:35 pm PDT, Jun 8 | Anonymous | It is very important for children to have both parents in their lives, for an equal amount of time. Every other weekend and a few hours one day a week doesn't cut it. Children need to have very meaningful periods of placement. No matter where the families live, if they can do 50/50 it should be mandatory. | |
| 267 | 7:47 am PDT, Jun 6 | Anonymous | i need 4 perment bottem teeth silver chiped tooth bottem | |
| 266 | 2:42 am PDT, Apr 25 | Mr. | Steven Graf | |
| 265 | 8:34 pm PST, Nov 3 | Anonymous | Well, it isn't the fathers that are the only victims here!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a mother that is in the same position as what those equal rights fathers are complaining so drastically about! I on the other hand was abused and threatend to sign custody of my 2 girls and could not afford a lawyer. It isn't just the fathers. I think the fathers can be even more cruel than the mothers in my experience. What is the chances opposed to the mother that the father will get seriously physically hurt and beat down? the mother typically to this date still doesn't make as much as the average father. How do you think that affects us women here? there are alot of us women who should have custody of the children, but were threatened, and abused in many ways to submit and the father also uses the children as puppets as well to hurt the mother. I think that father vs mother deal is a load of nonsense. I believe that the court should investigate in a none biased way and take the CHILDRENS well being into account as well as the parents well being. we have way too many obsticles that are just not fair all around. Adults tend to behave like kids as well and alot don't think rationally and let the animosity of the relationship get in the way of their decision makeing and end up not just hurting the children, but the kids as well. If the custodial parent is makeing more, living comfortably and more successful than the non custodial parent,then why prosecute the non custodial parent to the point that they are unable to live adequately? People can be so mean. They need to wake up cause that damages the children more than anything because the custodial parent is hostile and likes to use the children unremorsefully as puppets to hurt the ex. I firmly believe that should really be taken into account as abuse and who the custodial parents really should be!!!!!!!! For the non-custodial parent to refuse the parent for no real reason except hostility and trying to avoid the ex is very poor. they both created the child, they both are to be in the childs life whether they both like it or not. That is a responsibility they both need to accept since they both created the child. It is very immature and abusive in ALL aspects......unless the other parent that is prohibited of the custody is more harm to the children than good. So, I don't care about the father vs mother rights. this BS is going on on both sides and the COURT needs to look into it alot more than just "bias". I am one of those parents who put the children first. I have never prevented my kids dads from seeing them nor did I make it difficult for them to. They on the other hand are makeing it difficult and impossible. I am one of those parents who ARE fileing contempt motions because my children who are living in the situation they are in, are going to be very hurt from what they are being put through. They belong with me, whom is the MOTHER!!!!!!! They need to have a selfless parent who puts their needs first and a parent who can "get over it" | |
| 264 | 3:51 pm PDT, Oct 17 | Karen Tensley | ||
| 263 | 11:45 am PDT, Oct 11 | landon nielsen | I have a son born on June 28 2001. I have never seen him, talked to him, held him, or had anything to do with him because his mother lied to the courts and said that I was stalking her. I have never done anything of the sort. I lived in a different town or state all together the entire time my son has been alive. I have tried to contact her with no luck. I have asked the courts to help, but everytime it is the same answer, NO. I just wish that there was someone out there that could help me with this problem. | |
| 262 | 9:46 pm PDT, Oct 10 | Mrs. S. Robinson | Too many women are only having kids to get child support and to use the children as pawns because they only want to hurt the father and they know the way child custody/support laws work. The way things work now is the mother is always the right parent for the children to be with. That may have been the case a long time ago, but not in todays world. I know a woman who has police records that go back to when she herself was a child, she has been arrested many times for various things, mostly disorderly conduct, she has been investigated for child abuse- abusing her own children and the children in her state licensed daycare, nothing happened about it because the children were too young to testify in court, a few years later she was arrested for child neglect and had her daycare license revoked. During all of this she still was able to keep custody of the children just because she was the mother. The father is a very good man and loves his children. The mother won't let him see his kids and she tells the kids all the time their father doesn't love them. It's too late now, the kids are teenagers- their minds have been warped. The really sad part is, both kids are girls- chances are they will be just like their mother and do the same thing to another good man when they are older because it is how they were raised, it's what they were taught. The laws need to change, the homes need to be looked into and the children need to be placed with the parent who truly is better for them to be with. Women with a history of abuse, disorderly conduct and child neglect should not have full custody of children!! And they should not be allowed to take most of the father's paycheck every week to support the mother's weekend bar habbits rather than supporting the children. Change the laws and there is a good possibility that there will be alot fewer "fatherless" children. | |
| 261 | 11:46 am PDT, Sep 22 | Les Gates | Whatever happaned to equal rights with equal responsability my wife left me with the 2 boys but I was told if she wants the some day I have no rights to them the law is written for women not for the children | |
| 260 | 1:44 pm PDT, Sep 17 | Vanessa Sayre | ||
| 259 | 9:42 am PDT, Sep 8 | Anonymous | I can understand what the fathers are going through,except I am the mother. I pay child support and the x won't let me see my two children. I have missed out on two years of their lives, and have been put through the ringer by him, his wife, the court and the GAL. I thought the reason we got a GAL was for the children, but somehow my x has managed to buffalo her the same way he does everyone else. His interest isn't for the children it for the almighty $. He is constantly calling and sending medical bills for the children. They are making the 14 year old work and the 17 year old work and pay for her 2004 car, they made her buy, her car insurance, cell phone and groceries. When the children have had their school counselors call the GAL she refuses to talk to them stating that "their mother needs to finish with her parenting counseling!" Isn't that wrong? Now I have completed everything that I need to, and she still won't change a thing. I raised these children for 12 years while he worked and now I need the parenting skills! I have recently re-married and all the crap is just getting worse. Why can't we change who our GAL is? Especially when she is not doing her job! When the children did talk to her she went right back to the x and told him everything that they said. Is he their attorney or his? I am going to continue to fight for my children and hope and pray that someday this will be all over and not when both children are 18!! | |
| 258 | 7:33 pm PDT, Aug 30 | Anonymous | ||
| 257 | 11:10 pm PDT, Aug 26 | Icia Jamieson | ||
| 256 | 3:58 pm PDT, Aug 21 | Anonymous | ||
| 255 | 6:45 pm PDT, Aug 13 | Ann Jenkins | ||
| 254 | 9:45 pm PDT, Aug 8 | Jocelyn Clancy | ||
| 253 | 12:23 pm PDT, Aug 5 | Anonymous | Hi - I find it crazy that the man is considered guilty of all allegations that the soon to be x-wife has told the guardian ad-litem. He is being punished and not allowed to see his kids except for 2 hour periods and only 2 times a week. This after not allowing any visitation for 4 months. The only reason he get this short time is because she was told she would be in contempt. This needs to stop kids need both parents whether they are together or not. | |
| 252 | 10:14 pm PDT, Aug 2 | Anonymous | There are many mothers who refuse to let fathers see their children. Those mothers also tell the children terrible things about the father - things like, "Your father doesn't love you," "He never cared about you." Those children never know that the father calls regularily, has begged to see them and spend time with them for years, and has been told time and time again by their mother to stay away. So he does and the children hate him and believe what their mother tells them. That father should be able to relenquish his parental rights, if he is being barred by the mother from actually BEING a parent. | |
| 251 | 8:21 pm PDT, Jul 28 | Richard Witak II | First of all I have no problem paying child support, however,I find it absolutely ridiculas that I have to work 50 hours a week at a foundry after suffering two heart attacks and two heart surgeries and after paying child support for two kids I come home with only a hundred dollars more a week than my ex-wife after paying her child support. She has not had a job in six years and she lives at home, no bills, no responsibilities as a parent because her parents take care of my children, she has an assault charge against her for abusing our daughter, her boyfriend was arrested for abusing my son and I can't do anything about it because I'm only the dad and because my ex-wife's mom is a social worker/child support agent, so you can see why there is no hope for me. All the courts care about is how much money I make so my ex- wife can sit on her lazy butt some more,(child support is suppose to be for the children's expences and household bills, not for my ex-wife,it's obvious by how my kids dress and how my ex-wife dresses that the money is not going to our children) mind you my kids have been in school full-time for two years, and my wife is healthy unlike myself, but if I can't work and get behind on child support, I go to jail, but my ex-wife can sit around and not work for six years and nothing happens to her, she can abuse our children and again nothing happens to her. Where is the justice here? I thought that the children were suppose to be protected by the courts. But because of my ex-mother in-law there will never be justice, just as long as my ex-wife gets my 25%. It's time for the courts to realize that fathers are just as good or bad as mothers, and in my case i'm obviously the better parent, our children want to live with me, but my kids wishes are not taken into consideration. It's time for change, we are living in the 21st century, and we need to put our children first, not just mothers. |
Wisconsin Equal Constitutional Family Rights
To: Wisconsin Governor - Scott McCallum,
Wisconsin Attorney General - James E. Doyle,
Wisconsin Senator - Russ Feingold,
Wisconsin Elected Legislators
RE: Wisconsin Equal Constitutional Family Rights
I am writing to you to demand change on an epidemic that is destroying families, fathers, and children right here in Wisconsin. Simply put, the “Family Court” system as it now exits has stripped fathers of their rights to be a part of their children's lives. Instead, fathers have turned into financial pumps, living in constant fear of being dragged back into court by their ex-wives and victimized yet again.
I could give you countless examples of fathers who have been victimized. I’m not referring to the “deadbeat dad” types who leave their ex-wives and children living in the streets. I am talking about hard working, tax paying, child-loving fathers who live for their children. The ones who had their children stripped from them for the simple reason of their ex-wife deciding that she just no longer wanted to be married. The ones who are allowed to see their children for 4 days a month. The ones who are allowed to see their children for a few weeks over the summer. The ones who are required to pay astronomical amounts of child support, often putting themselves in a situation where they barely can afford to live. These are the fathers that are relying on the judges, lawyers, and Legislators to help reform the system. This system has created a society of fatherless children and childless fathers. This system has created its own life through a judicial system that exists on misery to feed itself.
This system violates their Constitutional Rights to Due process, Equal Protection under the Laws, and Privacy.
I would like to call your attention to the February 25th, 2002 ruling by C. Dane Perkins, Superior Court Judge of the Georgia Alapaha Judicial Circuit. Judge Perkins declared the Georgia Child Support Guidelines (which were adopted guidelines from Wisconsin) void and unconstitutional in his ruling based on the above Constitutional Violations.
Due Process
The United States Constitution provides that NO State may “deprive any person of life, liberty or poverty without due process of law”. In Wisconsin, as well as in almost all other states, presumptive child support awards rise as a share of obligor (paying parent) income. NO child cost studies show child costs rising as a share of after-tax income. ALL child cost studies show child costs declining as a share of the after-tax income. In most cases, especially in higher income situations, the presumptive child support results in a significantly higher obligation than one bases on actual child costs that decline as a share of net income. In Parrett v. Parrett (1988, the Court of Appeals of Wisconsin), the court found that, particularly in higher income situations, the presumptive child support amount would “result in a figure so far beyond the child’s needs as to be irrational”. This is the very sort of result the Due Process clauses are designed to prevent.
Equal Protection
The United States Constitution provides that NO State may “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”. The court found that “the egregiously different burdens placed on persons similarly situated but for the award of custody, i.e., parents with the obligation to support their child (ren) and the same means for doing so as when they were married” violates the guarantees of equal protection.
Finding of Fact in the ruling further address this issue.
Tax Benefits
The court points out that custodial parents typically receive $200 to $350 per month in extra after-tax income just for having custody. These child-related tax benefits include Head of Household status, Child exemptions, child credits, childcare credits, and Earned Income credits. Wisconsin either does not include these credits in child support calculations or they are grossly understated. The court found that not sharing these child-related tax benefits violates equal protection.
Financial Windfall
The presumptive child care award typically results in the custodial parent receiving huge financial windfall (profit) well in excess of childcare costs. For typical income situations, the custodial parent ends up with a higher standard of living than the non-custodial parent. This is the case even when the non-custodial parent earns significantly more than the custodial parent. This represents an extraordinary benefit for the custodial parent and an extraordinary burden for the obligator. This violates equal protection. In addition, when combined with the tax benefits discussed above, the outcome is that the custodial parent does not contribute to the child costs at the same rate the non-custodial parent and, often, not at all.
Hidden Alimony
The court found that, in essence, the child support obligation amounted to hidden alimony. These “hidden alimony” amounts were so excessive that a non-custodial parent is oftentimes unable to provide for the child (ren) when in the non-custodial parents’ care to the same extent as in the custodial parent’s household. Presumptive awards have been shown to typically exceed total actual costs according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. This violates equal protection standards for both the child and the non-custodial parent. In addition, this bias towards hidden alimony exists even when the custodial parent earns substantially higher income than the non-custodial parent.
Low Income below Poverty Line
The presumptive award for low-income obligators (minimum wage workers) pushes them below the poverty line. An award that leaves the obligator with less income than needed for basic needs creates an extraordinary burden. This violates equal protection.
Privacy
The source of the right to privacy has been held to originate in varying constitutional provisions. However, it has been long recognized to apply to “family” concerns whether the family exists within the confines of marriage or not. (Eisenstadt v. Baird (1973)). The court found that “by requiring the non-custodial parent to pay an amount in excess of those required to meet the child (rens’) basic needs...(the child support amount) impermissibly interfere(s) with parental decisions regarding financial expenditures on children. “The governments’ interest in family expenditures on children is limited to insuring that the child (rens) basic needs are met. Not extravagances, not luxuries, but needs. Once that occurs, government intrusion must cease (Moylan v. Moylan).
In addition, the court found that the presumptive child support is so excessive that it forces non-custodial parents to frequently work extra jobs for basic needs. This creates an extraordinary burden for the obligor and, potentially, an additional burden on taxpayers. It is also distracting the non-custodial parent from parenting fully without justification. This violates equal protection. This is contrary both to public policy and common sense. Any government mandate beyond basic child costs interferes with the right to privacy.
Equal Rights
The Guidelines do not take into account the custodial parent’s income. The presumptive child support awards do not vary with family income--only obligor income. The custodial parent is not held to the same standard for contributing to child costs. In most cases, the custodial parent’s obligation of support ends up being largely or entirely paid by the non-custodial parent. The custodial parent’s income has no bearing on the amount of child support the non-custodial parent is ordered to pay. There is no formula in place that can determine how the custodial parent’s income affects the presumptive award. This is not economically rational and violates equal protection.
Child costs of only the custodial parent are covered by the Guidelines. Costs incurred when the child (ren) is in the non-custodial parents’ care i.e. housing, food, clothing, entertainment and other needs for the child (ren) do not receive similar consideration. Yet, parents are similarly situated when child (ren) costs are incurred by either parent. Each parent has an equal duty to provide financially for the child (ren) when in the care of the other parent. These Guidelines where based on welfare situations in which the obligor parent was absent, and the custodial parent did not work and had no earned income, and did not take into account the custodial parent receiving large child- related tax benefits, and did not take into account the obligor paying substantial income taxes. However, in actual practice, typically the non-custodial parent is not absent and incurs substantial child costs that the Guidelines do not require the custodial parent to contribute. This violates equal protection and does not meet the financial needs of the child (ren) when they are in the care of the non-custodial parent. The Guidelines do not require that the custodial parent share in the costs of the non-custodial parent.
The Guideline criteria for deviation do not give any guidance on how to apply the deviations in a consistent manner. This is unconstitutionally vague and generally results in no deviations in most cases, even when the circumstances to deviate exist.
“We need to do more to make sure both parents are fully
involved in the raising of their children, particularly fathers”
Governor Tommy Thompson October 22nd, 1999
Right here in Wisconsin, our home town where we feel justified in wanting to raise our Child (ren) are we being stripped of our Constitutional Rights. We, as parents have a fundamental right to assume equal periods of placement of our children, unless there is credible evidence that a parent is not fit, that placement would be harmful to the child (ren). This right is fundamental; not that one parent must win as a result of lengthy, intrusive and costly legal battle, or compromised simply to reach a stipulated agreement to avoid a battle.
The Due Process and Equal protection provision of the 14th amendment of the United States Constitution suggest the fundamental rights of both parents must be treated equally. It also points out “the constitution and the laws of the United States..... Shall be the supreme law of the land; and that judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding”. The courts responsibility to support these fundamental rights are further established in WI. Stat. 757.02(1);
Every person Elected or appointed justice of the supreme court, judge of the court of appeals, judge of the circuit court or municipal judge, shall take, subscribe and file the following oath: “I,.... Do solemnly swear that I will support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of Wisconsin”
In practice, partly due to historical societal roles of parents and statistics on court rulings, there is an unwritten presumption that the mother gets custody and primary placement of the children and the father pays child support to the mother. While this presumption is not defined anywhere in the statutes, and is contrary to the equality principles established by law in 765.001(2) and the equal protection provision of the 14th amendment, it is very real. The net result is that the legal process treats a mother as innocent until proven guilty, and a father guilty until proven innocent. In light of this presumption, in cases involving two fit parents, the equal fundamental rights of the mother is usually fully supported, while the equal fundamental right of the father is subject to negotiation and compromise.
As in many cases, fathers who merely want to fulfill their responsibilities to the child (ren) by providing for their care during equal periods of placement are often forced to accept 20-40% placement or endure a lengthy, intrusive and costly legal battle. This violates the civil rights of those fathers who are encouraged, coerced or threatened to agree to stipulated agreements that deny them equal periods of placement against their will and denies the children the opportunity to an equally important relationship with their father.
We are relying on our Courts to stop this egregious violation of Constitutional Rights and start giving us our rights back. We are relying on the courageous lawmakers to address this epidemic and stop the further deterioration of fathers, families, and children.
Wisconsin Attorney General - James E. Doyle,
Wisconsin Senator - Russ Feingold,
Wisconsin Elected Legislators
RE: Wisconsin Equal Constitutional Family Rights
I am writing to you to demand change on an epidemic that is destroying families, fathers, and children right here in Wisconsin. Simply put, the “Family Court” system as it now exits has stripped fathers of their rights to be a part of their children's lives. Instead, fathers have turned into financial pumps, living in constant fear of being dragged back into court by their ex-wives and victimized yet again.
I could give you countless examples of fathers who have been victimized. I’m not referring to the “deadbeat dad” types who leave their ex-wives and children living in the streets. I am talking about hard working, tax paying, child-loving fathers who live for their children. The ones who had their children stripped from them for the simple reason of their ex-wife deciding that she just no longer wanted to be married. The ones who are allowed to see their children for 4 days a month. The ones who are allowed to see their children for a few weeks over the summer. The ones who are required to pay astronomical amounts of child support, often putting themselves in a situation where they barely can afford to live. These are the fathers that are relying on the judges, lawyers, and Legislators to help reform the system. This system has created a society of fatherless children and childless fathers. This system has created its own life through a judicial system that exists on misery to feed itself.
This system violates their Constitutional Rights to Due process, Equal Protection under the Laws, and Privacy.
I would like to call your attention to the February 25th, 2002 ruling by C. Dane Perkins, Superior Court Judge of the Georgia Alapaha Judicial Circuit. Judge Perkins declared the Georgia Child Support Guidelines (which were adopted guidelines from Wisconsin) void and unconstitutional in his ruling based on the above Constitutional Violations.
Due Process
The United States Constitution provides that NO State may “deprive any person of life, liberty or poverty without due process of law”. In Wisconsin, as well as in almost all other states, presumptive child support awards rise as a share of obligor (paying parent) income. NO child cost studies show child costs rising as a share of after-tax income. ALL child cost studies show child costs declining as a share of the after-tax income. In most cases, especially in higher income situations, the presumptive child support results in a significantly higher obligation than one bases on actual child costs that decline as a share of net income. In Parrett v. Parrett (1988, the Court of Appeals of Wisconsin), the court found that, particularly in higher income situations, the presumptive child support amount would “result in a figure so far beyond the child’s needs as to be irrational”. This is the very sort of result the Due Process clauses are designed to prevent.
Equal Protection
The United States Constitution provides that NO State may “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”. The court found that “the egregiously different burdens placed on persons similarly situated but for the award of custody, i.e., parents with the obligation to support their child (ren) and the same means for doing so as when they were married” violates the guarantees of equal protection.
Finding of Fact in the ruling further address this issue.
Tax Benefits
The court points out that custodial parents typically receive $200 to $350 per month in extra after-tax income just for having custody. These child-related tax benefits include Head of Household status, Child exemptions, child credits, childcare credits, and Earned Income credits. Wisconsin either does not include these credits in child support calculations or they are grossly understated. The court found that not sharing these child-related tax benefits violates equal protection.
Financial Windfall
The presumptive child care award typically results in the custodial parent receiving huge financial windfall (profit) well in excess of childcare costs. For typical income situations, the custodial parent ends up with a higher standard of living than the non-custodial parent. This is the case even when the non-custodial parent earns significantly more than the custodial parent. This represents an extraordinary benefit for the custodial parent and an extraordinary burden for the obligator. This violates equal protection. In addition, when combined with the tax benefits discussed above, the outcome is that the custodial parent does not contribute to the child costs at the same rate the non-custodial parent and, often, not at all.
Hidden Alimony
The court found that, in essence, the child support obligation amounted to hidden alimony. These “hidden alimony” amounts were so excessive that a non-custodial parent is oftentimes unable to provide for the child (ren) when in the non-custodial parents’ care to the same extent as in the custodial parent’s household. Presumptive awards have been shown to typically exceed total actual costs according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. This violates equal protection standards for both the child and the non-custodial parent. In addition, this bias towards hidden alimony exists even when the custodial parent earns substantially higher income than the non-custodial parent.
Low Income below Poverty Line
The presumptive award for low-income obligators (minimum wage workers) pushes them below the poverty line. An award that leaves the obligator with less income than needed for basic needs creates an extraordinary burden. This violates equal protection.
Privacy
The source of the right to privacy has been held to originate in varying constitutional provisions. However, it has been long recognized to apply to “family” concerns whether the family exists within the confines of marriage or not. (Eisenstadt v. Baird (1973)). The court found that “by requiring the non-custodial parent to pay an amount in excess of those required to meet the child (rens’) basic needs...(the child support amount) impermissibly interfere(s) with parental decisions regarding financial expenditures on children. “The governments’ interest in family expenditures on children is limited to insuring that the child (rens) basic needs are met. Not extravagances, not luxuries, but needs. Once that occurs, government intrusion must cease (Moylan v. Moylan).
In addition, the court found that the presumptive child support is so excessive that it forces non-custodial parents to frequently work extra jobs for basic needs. This creates an extraordinary burden for the obligor and, potentially, an additional burden on taxpayers. It is also distracting the non-custodial parent from parenting fully without justification. This violates equal protection. This is contrary both to public policy and common sense. Any government mandate beyond basic child costs interferes with the right to privacy.
Equal Rights
The Guidelines do not take into account the custodial parent’s income. The presumptive child support awards do not vary with family income--only obligor income. The custodial parent is not held to the same standard for contributing to child costs. In most cases, the custodial parent’s obligation of support ends up being largely or entirely paid by the non-custodial parent. The custodial parent’s income has no bearing on the amount of child support the non-custodial parent is ordered to pay. There is no formula in place that can determine how the custodial parent’s income affects the presumptive award. This is not economically rational and violates equal protection.
Child costs of only the custodial parent are covered by the Guidelines. Costs incurred when the child (ren) is in the non-custodial parents’ care i.e. housing, food, clothing, entertainment and other needs for the child (ren) do not receive similar consideration. Yet, parents are similarly situated when child (ren) costs are incurred by either parent. Each parent has an equal duty to provide financially for the child (ren) when in the care of the other parent. These Guidelines where based on welfare situations in which the obligor parent was absent, and the custodial parent did not work and had no earned income, and did not take into account the custodial parent receiving large child- related tax benefits, and did not take into account the obligor paying substantial income taxes. However, in actual practice, typically the non-custodial parent is not absent and incurs substantial child costs that the Guidelines do not require the custodial parent to contribute. This violates equal protection and does not meet the financial needs of the child (ren) when they are in the care of the non-custodial parent. The Guidelines do not require that the custodial parent share in the costs of the non-custodial parent.
The Guideline criteria for deviation do not give any guidance on how to apply the deviations in a consistent manner. This is unconstitutionally vague and generally results in no deviations in most cases, even when the circumstances to deviate exist.
“We need to do more to make sure both parents are fully
involved in the raising of their children, particularly fathers”
Governor Tommy Thompson October 22nd, 1999
Right here in Wisconsin, our home town where we feel justified in wanting to raise our Child (ren) are we being stripped of our Constitutional Rights. We, as parents have a fundamental right to assume equal periods of placement of our children, unless there is credible evidence that a parent is not fit, that placement would be harmful to the child (ren). This right is fundamental; not that one parent must win as a result of lengthy, intrusive and costly legal battle, or compromised simply to reach a stipulated agreement to avoid a battle.
The Due Process and Equal protection provision of the 14th amendment of the United States Constitution suggest the fundamental rights of both parents must be treated equally. It also points out “the constitution and the laws of the United States..... Shall be the supreme law of the land; and that judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding”. The courts responsibility to support these fundamental rights are further established in WI. Stat. 757.02(1);
Every person Elected or appointed justice of the supreme court, judge of the court of appeals, judge of the circuit court or municipal judge, shall take, subscribe and file the following oath: “I,.... Do solemnly swear that I will support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of Wisconsin”
In practice, partly due to historical societal roles of parents and statistics on court rulings, there is an unwritten presumption that the mother gets custody and primary placement of the children and the father pays child support to the mother. While this presumption is not defined anywhere in the statutes, and is contrary to the equality principles established by law in 765.001(2) and the equal protection provision of the 14th amendment, it is very real. The net result is that the legal process treats a mother as innocent until proven guilty, and a father guilty until proven innocent. In light of this presumption, in cases involving two fit parents, the equal fundamental rights of the mother is usually fully supported, while the equal fundamental right of the father is subject to negotiation and compromise.
As in many cases, fathers who merely want to fulfill their responsibilities to the child (ren) by providing for their care during equal periods of placement are often forced to accept 20-40% placement or endure a lengthy, intrusive and costly legal battle. This violates the civil rights of those fathers who are encouraged, coerced or threatened to agree to stipulated agreements that deny them equal periods of placement against their will and denies the children the opportunity to an equally important relationship with their father.
We are relying on our Courts to stop this egregious violation of Constitutional Rights and start giving us our rights back. We are relying on the courageous lawmakers to address this epidemic and stop the further deterioration of fathers, families, and children.
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