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We, the Undersigned, endorse the following petition:

Canonization by Proclamation: St. John Carroll & St. John England

Target: Leonard Swidler, President, ARCC
Sponsor: Ingrid Shafer, Association for the Rights of Catholics in the Church (ARCC)
  • Signatures: 179
  • Goal: 1,000
  • Deadline: 5-20-2007
The Catholic Church today desperately needs held up as models Catholics who exhibited heroic virtue in living out their commitment to Jesus that exemplified the best of the modern, critical-thinking, freedom-loving democratic world. Hence, the Association for the Rights of Catholics in the Church (ARCC) invites all Catholics to sign this Proclamation declaring Bishop John Carroll and Bishop John England Popular Saints.

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Number Date Prefix Name Country Are you an ARCC member? Should laity participate in selection of bishops? Should each parish have a constitution? Should the Catholic Church have a constitution? Should parishioners own their parish assets?
181 9:13 pm PDT, Jul 2 Dr. Thomas Biddinger United States NO! NO! NO! YES! YES!
180 12:17 pm PST, Feb 14   Susan Heyward United States no yes ? yes yes
179 12:49 am PST, Feb 11 Dr. Morris J. Augustine Japan No, but I would like to be. I have corresponded with Dr. Fr. Tom Doyle, and would like to correspond more--about an autobiography I am writing concerning my life as a Benedictine priests and--after dispensation, my 36 year in Japan as doctoral student, and our new organization welcoming members of all the world's religions: the Kyoto Cosmos Club--cf www.kyotocosmos.org/ Definately! I would prefer it to be every diocese. Yes. Yes.
178 5:19 pm PST, Jan 15 Ms. Anonymous United States No No. Elections are popularity contest and not always the best are selected. However, a bishop should be selected from his own diocese unless circumstances make this impossible. No. Jesus did not come to give us laws which can come from constitutions. We are a universal church - only one constitution is needed. Yes. I personally like what came out of Vatican II, however, I feel the USA bishops let us all down right after Vatican II. They had the Constitutions from the Council and never did a teaching job from the pulpit. Although I had one priest give an 8 consecutive Sunday homily on the changes and history behind them. He was later made Cardinal. Yes. But often a poor parish needs a partner - a richer parish to help with expenses.
177 10:32 am PDT, Oct 27   George McGuire, PhD United States   Yes Yes Yes Yes
176 5:52 am PDT, Sep 4   Peter van Marissing United States No Yes Yes Yes Yes
175 7:40 pm PDT, Aug 1 Mr. Anonymous United States No Yes Yes Yes Yes
174 10:27 am PDT, Jul 9 Mrs. Anonymous United States no no they already do they already do.. It's the word of God they already do
173 2:07 pm PDT, May 15   John F. Devaney, Jr. United States No No Yes Yes No
172 1:28 pm PDT, Apr 20 Dr. Theodore Bracco United States No No No No No
171 12:49 pm PDT, Mar 26   JOCELYNE ANNIE Canada          
170 1:58 am PDT, Mar 24 Mrs. Shannon Sultan United States          
169 11:05 pm PST, Feb 10   Anonymous Greece          
168 11:59 pm PST, Feb 6   Douglas S Haight United States no no no no no
166 5:43 pm PST, Dec 15   Thomas Biddinger United States          
165 12:29 pm PST, Nov 25   Heretics sadf United States          
164 12:22 pm PST, Nov 21   Joseph Jaglowicz United States No Yes   Yes Yes
163 4:01 pm PDT, Oct 25   Grow up, you tools. Korea, Democratic People's Republic Of No, I'm a Catholic. No. No. No. No.
162 2:10 am PDT, Oct 16   Alexandra Nett South Africa          
161 5:57 am PDT, Oct 3 Ms. Dorothy Gibas United Kingdom          
160 12:45 am PDT, Aug 11   John-Paul Frank United States Not at the moment, soon to be Absolutely, as they once did. Yes, By all means Yes and the sooner the better. Yes and not controlled solely by the parochial clergy but under the supervision of elected lay persons.
159 11:55 am PDT, Jul 13   Jim Cummings United States no yes     yes
158 12:19 pm PDT, Jun 7 Mr. You Guys are Nuts Italy No The Holy Spirit works through the Church, not through a bunch of children who think that they can "vote" and tell God what to do. The Holy Spirit works through the Church, not through a bunch of children who think that they can "vote" and tell God what to do. The Holy Spirit works through the Church, not through a bunch of children who think that they can "vote" and tell God what to do. The Holy Spirit works through the Church, not through a bunch of children who think that they can "vote" and tell God what to do.
157 11:17 am PDT, Jun 6   Hazel Matich United States          
156 9:42 am PDT, May 3 Mr. Piotr Thieme Poland no, I'm not US citizen yes, of course. yes yes yes
155 3:59 pm PDT, Apr 16   Rose Mary O'Connell United States yes yes Should be an example of the people not just the chsoen few yes yes yes
154 11:46 pm PDT, Apr 12   Henry VIII Vanuatu No No No No No
153 11:43 pm PDT, Apr 12   Church of England Zambia No No No No No
152 4:13 am PDT, Apr 12   Satan Is Laughing Zimbabwe No, I'm a Catholic No No No No
151 9:26 pm PDT, Apr 11   So Sad United States Your own "petition" shows you have no support. Why do you persist in this sin? If you are Catholic, you know you are wrong. Why claim to be Catholic, when your beliefs are in opposition? Why not start your own "church"?

Canonization by Proclamation: St. John Carroll & St. John England



Until the 17th century, Christians of heroic virtue were popularly proclaimed Saints locally, meaning that they were popularly judged worthy of emulation and public veneration. It was only after 1634 that canonization was reserved to the Vatican. Unfortunately, the canonization process has become extraordinarily expensive (many hundreds of thousands of dollars!) and extremely politicized—e.g., the beatification of most repressive, reactionary pope in the history of the Church, Pius IX (1846-78). In 24 years Pope John Paul II canonized 468 persons–more than all previous popes together!


The Catholic Church today desperately needs held up as models Catholics who exhibited heroic virtue in living out their commitment to Jesus that exemplified the best of the modern, critical-thinking, freedom-loving democratic world.


Although we are fortunate to have one such universal model in Pope St. John XXIII, we in the U.S. are also blessed with two extraordinary men at the beginning of the U.S. Catholic Church who were outstanding examples of commitment to a profound Christian spirituality as expressed in deeply democratic fashion: Bishop John Carroll (1735-1815) and Bishop John England (1786-1842).*


Concerning St. John Carroll, see http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03381b.htm: "doubtless to him, in part, is due...that the first amendment passed ...that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.'" St. John England governed his diocese by a democratic Constitution, whose reputation led to his address to a joint session of the House of Representatives, Senate, Supreme Court, President John Quincy Adams and his Cabinet. See: http://www.global-dialogue.com/swidlerbooks/, Toward a Catholic Constitution, chapter 15. Additional information on the democratic sanctity of SS. John Carroll and John England can be found at http://www.arccsites.org/.


Hence, the Association for the Rights of Catholics in the Church (ARCC) invites all Catholics to sign this Proclamation declaring Bishop John Carroll and Bishop John England Popular Saints. Send your name and email address to canonization@arccsites.org, and spread this Proclamation by every means.


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*As with all holy persons, all Saints, the two Johns were not without faults–as were, e.g., two illustrious Doctors of the Church, St. Augustine, who gave us the horrid doctrine of predestination, or St. Thomas Aquinas, who justified the killing of heretics. Thus, the two Johns, as all Catholics of their time, accepted the morality of slavery, as St. Paul also did (the Vatican officially supported it at least as late as 1866). In that they were not admirable or imitable, any more than were Paul, Augustine, or Aquinas in their flaws.

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